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    Junior Member El Bushnaynay's Avatar
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    Noob Alert


    Hey everyone, just swinging in to introduce myself. Just picked up my first bike (I blame scottieducati) and I'm looking forward to learning a ton this spring and having some new found freedom. Still need to get licensed and put some hours in on the track. Spring time can't come soon enough.

    PS- the first bike is an 87 Yamaha FZ700, got it from a fellow NESR member and plan on keeping it for a while.

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    welcome and enjoy!

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    Re: Noob Alert

    Welcome. Just as a word of advice, I would spend a while just riding the street and growing your skills before you attempt going to the track. The track is a good learning environment, but will be best when your motor skills have fully developed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Welcome. Just as a word of advice, I would spend a while just riding the street and growing your skills before you attempt going to the track. The track is a good learning environment, but will be best when your motor skills have fully developed.
    And welcome.

    (Sorry to hear you know Scotty though...bummer dude!)

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    hi jeff!

    thats scottie's roommate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    hi jeff!
    thats scottie's roommate.
    Dearest Jeff,
    I'm so sorry... You have my most sincere condolences.
    Get well soon.

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    Welcome! make sure you take the MFS course & get yourself some good gear!

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    RUN AWAY.............Welcome newbie

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    I hear that guy Degsy is an okay rider.....I mean maybe I can learn something from him......just maybe.

    I'm taking the MSF in the spring.

    And yes, unfortunately Scottie is something that I will never be able to cure.....I've known him for too damn long (22 years?)

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    It's Geoff, not Jeff btw. And GFY to, well, all of you fuckers!


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    Quote Originally Posted by El Bushnaynay View Post
    And yes, unfortunately Scottie is something that I will never be able to cure.....I've known him for too damn long (22 years?)
    I think I might have some leftovers from the perscription I got back when I had "the scottie". Think it was called Scottiefukoffalreadywillya.
    500mg a day for a couple of weeks and the rashes cleared right up.

    That or a Tony's Track Day will get rid of him
    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    It's Geoff, not Jeff btw.
    Ah... so he spells it the RIGHT way (i've got a brother named gee off).

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    It's Geoff, not Jeff btw. And GFY to, well, all of you fuckers!
    Aren't we getting testie.



    Welcome Geoff.

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    welcome

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    Hey Geoff.

    Have fun.

    oh, and here's a picture of a hot dog.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    (i've got a brother named gee off).
    Me too.

    Welcome. Post up some pics of the bike.

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    Welcome aboard

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    Hi Geoff!

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    Welcome!

    Old bikes rock

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    BUSH!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Welcome. Just as a word of advice, I would spend a while just riding the street and growing your skills before you attempt going to the track. The track is a good learning environment, but will be best when your motor skills have fully developed.
    I'd rather see someone start at a track day (after MSF). It's the safest possible environment to develop basic skills, and newbies get tons of help from trained instructors and other more experienced riders. There are fewer distractions on the track, so the new rider can focus on the controls and basic technique. That means better, faster, and safer skill development than by trial & error on the street.

    That's how my daughter started last summer. She had almost no riding experience before her first track day. The year before she passed MSF and had ridden about 4 or 5 hours, mostly in a parking lot. Last summer she had about an hour in a parking lot before her first TTD. I was a bit worried about her not having enough experience for the track. She was terrified - Graham said she looked like she was going to toss her breakfast in the first classroom session.

    The first session she was very slow and clearly uncomfortable. But she got noticeably better each session. The mix of coaching, classroom, and track time had a huge impact on her skill and confidence. By the end of the day she was looking so much smoother and more comfortable it was amazing. And she had that classic track day grin when she told me about finally passing someone in the last session of the day. I'm totally convinced the best place to develop basic skills is at a track day. Then add all the distractions of the street to the mix.

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    I could not disagree more, msf one day and track day the next is just crazy and a rider like that is not only a danger to themselves but also a danger to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    I could not disagree more, msf one day and track day the next is just crazy and a rider like that is not only a danger to themselves but also a danger to others.
    There's no way she was ever a danger to herself or to others. The passing rules in the beginner group are very conservative, and she was never intimidated by people passing her. I was there, you're just speculating.

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    I can see were you are going with this and I'm not trying to insult your daughter but come on are you really suggesting it's a better idea to hit the track after the msf over street riding with seasoned riders on slower B roads? That's just ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    I can see were you are going with this and I'm not trying to insult your daughter but come on are you really suggesting it's a better idea to hit the track after the msf over street riding with seasoned riders on slower B roads? That's just ignorant.
    Eta: there's no way she was a danger? Not possible at all? Not even slightly? C'mon

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    Welcome to winter @ NESR El Bushnaynay! Sorry for the thread hijack.

    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    I can see were you are going with this and I'm not trying to insult your daughter but come on are you really suggesting it's a better idea to hit the track after the msf over street riding with seasoned riders on slower B roads? That's just ignorant.
    Quote Originally Posted by G21forme View Post
    Eta: there's no way she was a danger? Not possible at all? Not even slightly? C'mon
    A danger to herself or others on the track? Absolutely not, not even for an instant at any point in the day.

    Honestly, I probably would have agreed with you a year ago. I even discussed this with the TTD staff because I was concerned about my daughter's level of experience. But after her first track day, my perspective changed completely. It's not because she's the next Melissa Paris, far from it. She's a very typical new rider. That's what convinced me.

    Track days aren't racing. TTD red group speeds are not a lot faster than what a rider would be at on a 'B' road, especially through the corners. If they're riding at about road speed, what's the safer environment? At the track there's no distractions. No oncoming or merging traffic - no cars at all. No potholes, no sand in the corners, no phone poles or guardrails. Everyone is riding in the same direction. It's the same set of corners every lap. This lets the new riders focus on their skill development.

    Tracks (usually) have run-off or air fence in case you panic and blow a corner and gravel pits to slow you down. Where would you rather make a mistake and run off or crash, on the track or on the street? Do you really think that the street is a safer learning environment than the track? Why?

    TTD has classroom sessions to discuss riding technique - the line, braking, throttle control, cornering, reference points, body position, having a strategy, etc. On track, there are instructors and control riders to make sure people are riding safely and to show them the line when they forget. After each track session, the riders can get feedback on how they're doing and what they can do to improve. It's a non-threatening and supportive learning environment. Do you really think a random group of 'seasoned riders' is better than trained instructors and control riders? Why?

    Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I am 100% comfortable saying that my daughter's first TTD was worth weeks of street riding; that she learned more in much less time than she would have on the back roads, and that she was never even close to being a danger to herself or anyone else on the track that day.

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