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Yes, that's a big stretch. But that's what lawyers (especially government lawyers) do. There should be no expectation of privacy when out in public. And in particular there should be no expectation of privacy for governmental people performing their official duties; the people have a clear right to know what is being done by the people their tax money pays for.Originally Posted by curiouser
Well, that's good news. Interestingly, I know the guy who was charged with that. He's a fellow biker, as well as one of the most active local FSP members.
PhilB
yes it is completely against the law to record audio of someone who is not aware of it, i would assume the same for video but I am not positive.
Video is legal if the subject is in public (in most states; YMMV) and thus does not have a presumption of privacy. I worked some years ago as a surveillance driver for a PI, and that was my job -- to record people's actions on video, while they were in public, to submit as evidence in court cases involving injury claims.
PhilB
Somewhat tangential - http://www.theagitator.com/
You sound like you are a responding to a question that no one actually asked, and your reply isn't really correct. The article posted by the OP has the correct answer, and it is state-dependant, "Since then, the Boston Police Department has been instructing personnel that the state’s wiretapping law does not apply to people making unconcealed audio or video recordings in public." Aware is very different than unconcealed. Boils down to 'expectation of privacy' and not wearing hidden gear.
Come on, do you really think that being chased by the cops that are just down the ramp behind you, that some guy is going to jump out of his car to carjack a bike?
hmm guess my thread was bumped
But yeah .. I record video and audio now, audio is stored in two different places.. I got pulled over the other day.. I let the officer know he was being recorded (audio and video).. He was fine with it and was a good guy.
but related...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=eyYlRZAdPGk
is this for real???? :-o ---v
no wonder cops hate sports bike riders
Ask the 2 cops in your family if they routinely make felony stops without their firearm drawn...
That's like saying all harley riders are members of the hells angels. Besides, despite the cruise with a bunch of douches traveling in the left lane, it was really one person being truly ridiculous throughout the entire video. My gut says he's done time before, and he'll do some more.is this for real???? :-o ---v
no wonder cops hate sports bike riders
That said, the video is a great example why video is good for all people involved, officer or citizen.
I recently appealed a 45 on 35 speeding ticket (on a 3 lane road, Morrissey Blvd, Boston) and went to court. The state trooper sitting next to the judge said this ..."the only riders who ride well, respect other road users and follow the rules are harley riders. you sport bike riders cut through the traffic all the time, dont follow basic traffic rules, exceed speed limit, are unsafe and are a danger to other road users." ...and a bunch of other stuff i cannot recall.
I know there are squids, but being a cop I was shocked at the kind of attitude he had towards sports bike riders. I think a police officer, having all the experience he/she has/had, should be a bit rational.
EDIT: and did you watch the whole video? it was not just one or two, most of them were DBs.
Last edited by njsrikar; 06-21-12 at 11:56 PM.
I posted the 15 minute follow up to this a day ago in a thread about a license plate violation.is this for real???? :-o ---v
no wonder cops hate sports bike riders
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Motor...159671765.html
I watched the video start to finish, with my full attention. There were a million violations that could (and should) have been written to many operators. They were all douches, and I agree they give 'us' a bad name. But while I stereotype all day long, I know a stereotype is not a fact. Plenty of people don't, just as the officer you met with. And while the were all being dumb, I saw one person in particular being truely shocking, the rest was just simple moving violations.
That officer was a douchebag plain and simple, and needs to turn in his badge as soon as possible. I'm serious. He isn't interested in enforcing the laws in the interest of safety as he is restricting the public's choices. I see guys (and girls) in civics do exactly what he described. Guess we better treat all Honda Civic operators the same way. He needs to stay focused on your statements, your driving history, and the operation he witnessed. And he could have defended his ticket based on the evidence, instead of some other retard's actions because you both rode the same vehicle.
^^
its very easy to stereotype somebody than not, especially given the limited perspective we have/get.
I believe the way those bikers in the video behaved, anybody can easily create a false assumption about bikers in general, granted cops should be an exception here, but its very difficult.
Like I said, I stereotype all day. I've had multiple people tell me that I need to stop stereotyping. But the key difference is how you use your perceptions. Are they hints, or are they facts? I know the difference, but plenty of people don't. But you're right that while officers should and do use stereotypes to guide them, it shouldn't be part of the evidence/defenes against you. Its like saying "well, I searched his car because he told me he was muslim. You know how they all are.....ammiright?"
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