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    Re: Nervous yet? covid-19


    Quote Originally Posted by Vovchandr View Post
    Issue for the society is when somebody who's immuno (sp?) compromised, or is going through chemo or kids who can't get a vaccine still have to live their life in a world where anybody they meet can be their killer with 0 liability.
    The immuno compromised can make their own risk assesment and still live in that world as they see fit.

    Kids are also not likely to die from Covid. Given this summer, I'd be more concerned about them drowning then anything else. In that vein, kids are also walking germ factories and inherently more dangerous to compromised people in every day "normal" life. We didn't require them to be masked and/or restrict them from moving around pre-Covid. They could have killed anyone they met with zero liability as well.

    At this stage in the game, the bulk of society has made their choices. I really don't see the difference there at this stage of Covid. It was an arguable point that society had a greater responsibility to each other a year ago. Now it's more about fear and control and less about public health. The bulk of society has made their choice and nothing significant is likely to change. At what point do we accept that and move on? Or are we destined to keep re-visiting this rabbit hole in perpetuity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Makes you wonder about the companies now saying vaccines might need boosters and the current ones might not help with the different variants popping up. There are certainly lots of folks in the business world, and politicians with ties to them, that would like to see that gravy train keep chugging along......or is that too conspiracy theorist?
    Pfizer alone made $7.8 BILLION dollars in revenue in the second quarter just on vaccine sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sveesix View Post
    Pfizer alone made $7.8 BILLION dollars in revenue in the second quarter just on vaccine sales.
    I'd say that's fair compensation for creating an 85% effective vaccine within a year, in a pandemic.

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    Giving stupid people a choice in a global pandemic is like asking a child to put down a loaded gun. Things shouldn't of gotten to this point, yet here we are. As soon as the FDA gives an all green light to these vaccines, I'm on board with locking up everyone in this stupid resistance. They don't have to get vaccinated, but they do get to wait it out in a prison cell until the defenseless are as safe and worry-free from COVID-19 infection as the vaccinated are. That is serving fair justice to all.

    Why you in here?
    >Didn't want to get that vaccine shot.
    Oh, nice. I killed 2 people for a line of coke.
    >Can't talk now I need to go get my first shot..

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    Giving stupid people a choice in a global pandemic is like asking a child to put down a loaded gun. Things shouldn't of gotten to this point, yet here we are. As soon as the FDA gives an all green light to these vaccines, I'm on board with locking up everyone in this stupid resistance. They don't have to get vaccinated, but they do get to wait it out in a prison cell until the defenseless are as safe and worry-free from COVID-19 infection as the vaccinated are. That is serving fair justice to all.

    Why you in here?
    >Didn't want to get that vaccine shot.
    Oh, nice. I killed 2 people for a line of coke.
    >Can't talk now I need to go get my first shot..
    Just when you think you’ve seen the most mind-blowingly stupid shit on the internet... Barney’s Penis takes that shit up a notch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxer72 View Post
    Just when you think you’ve seen the most mind-blowingly stupid shit on the internet... Barney’s Penis takes that shit up a notch.
    I typed 3 responses and deleted them to that post. Not worth it. Nervous yet? covid-19-53bcaecd-e261-48db-87cb-a747743a7dda

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    Re: Nervous yet? covid-19

    May need some concentration camps to handle the volume of people for that...oh wait...

    But seriously in prisons if you’re not vaccinated the inmates just pass the covid cup around and you get it and they just let you out...even if you’re a murderer, pedophile, rapist, etc...so I think there is an easy loophole anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePackage View Post
    Giving stupid people a choice in a global pandemic is like asking a child to put down a loaded gun. Things shouldn't of gotten to this point, yet here we are. As soon as the FDA gives an all green light to these vaccines, I'm on board with locking up everyone in this stupid resistance. They don't have to get vaccinated, but they do get to wait it out in a prison cell until the defenseless are as safe and worry-free from COVID-19 infection as the vaccinated are. That is serving fair justice to all.......

    Too much of an overstep , not to mention WAY TOO expensive.

    We need to step up vaccination availability over the next 2 months so that an individuals only excuse for not being vaccinated is "personal choice"

    Then we need an accurate, secure & simple to access national database of vaccinated individuals for the industrial health care complex to utilize

    And finally we have the insurance companies and hospitals reject un-vaccinated individuals for COVID related "Pre Existing Conditions"....

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    lol imagine health insurance premiums doubling for the unvaccinated. C a p i t a l i s m

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    Quote Originally Posted by capitalcrew View Post
    lol imagine health insurance premiums doubling for the unvaccinated. C a p i t a l i s m
    See how quick we get them on board for National healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmycapp View Post
    See how quick we get them on board for National healthcare.
    How is that working out for our neighbors north of the border? Have a discussion with anyone from Canada and they have vastly different views of how well national healthcare works.

    Waiting 10-12 weeks for treatment (https://www.fraserinstitute.org/stud...in-canada-2020) is absolutely asinine.

    But yes turn this into a healthcare debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sveesix View Post
    How is that working out for our neighbors north of the border? Have a discussion with anyone from Canada and they have vastly different views of how well national healthcare works.

    Waiting 10-12 weeks for treatment (https://www.fraserinstitute.org/stud...in-canada-2020) is absolutely asinine.

    But yes turn this into a healthcare debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sveesix View Post
    How is that working out for our neighbors north of the border? Have a discussion with anyone from Canada and they have vastly different views of how well national healthcare works.

    Waiting 10-12 weeks for treatment (https://www.fraserinstitute.org/stud...in-canada-2020) is absolutely asinine.

    But yes turn this into a healthcare debate.
    US has highest costs and worse outcomes than them. Heath insurance is just a profit grab in this country. I have plenty of coworkers in Canada. They get what they need, when they need it. Optional stuff does take longer.

    Using international data primarily from 2013 to 2016, the researchers compared the U.S. with 10 other high-income countries — the U.K., Canada, Germany, Australia, Japan, Sweden, France, Denmark, the Netherlands, and Switzerland — on approximately 100 metrics that underpin health care spending.

    The study confirmed that the U.S. has substantially higher spending, worse population health outcomes, and worse access to care than other wealthy countries. For example, in 2016, the U.S. spent 17.8 percent of its gross domestic product on health care, while other countries ranged from 9.6 percent (Australia) to 12.4 percent (Switzerland). Life expectancy in the U.S. was the lowest of all 11 countries in the study, at 78.8 years; the range for other countries was 80.7 to 83.9 years. The proportion of the U.S. population with health insurance was 90 percent, lower than all the other countries, which ranged from 99 to 100 percent coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmycapp View Post
    US has highest costs and worse outcomes than them. Heath insurance is just a profit grab in this country. I have plenty of coworkers in Canada. They get what they need, when they need it. Optional stuff does take longer.

    Using international data primarily from 2013 to 2016, the researchers compared the U.S. with 10 other high-income countries — the U.K., Canada, Germany, Australia, Japan, Sweden, France, Denmark, the Netherlands, and Switzerland — on approximately 100 metrics that underpin health care spending.

    The study confirmed that the U.S. has substantially higher spending, worse population health outcomes, and worse access to care than other wealthy countries. For example, in 2016, the U.S. spent 17.8 percent of its gross domestic product on health care, while other countries ranged from 9.6 percent (Australia) to 12.4 percent (Switzerland). Life expectancy in the U.S. was the lowest of all 11 countries in the study, at 78.8 years; the range for other countries was 80.7 to 83.9 years. The proportion of the U.S. population with health insurance was 90 percent, lower than all the other countries, which ranged from 99 to 100 percent coverage.
    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...alth-outcomes/
    Giant assumption that life expectancy is solely related to health care and who provides it. High rates of obesity, shit nutritution and unhealthy lifestyles couldn't have anything to do with it either.

    Amazingly enough, the people most likely to die from Covid have underlying issues. I'm sure some of the above contributed to those and it's not like who paid for healthcare would have affected those outcomes.

    Our healthcare system is fucked, but getting the government involved more isn't going to help any either. The shitshow over Covid is the most recent example why....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmycapp View Post
    US has highest costs and worse outcomes than them. Heath insurance is just a profit grab in this country. I have plenty of coworkers in Canada. They get what they need, when they need it. Optional stuff does take longer.

    Using international data primarily from 2013 to 2016, the researchers compared the U.S. with 10 other high-income countries — the U.K., Canada, Germany, Australia, Japan, Sweden, France, Denmark, the Netherlands, and Switzerland — on approximately 100 metrics that underpin health care spending.

    The study confirmed that the U.S. has substantially higher spending, worse population health outcomes, and worse access to care than other wealthy countries. For example, in 2016, the U.S. spent 17.8 percent of its gross domestic product on health care, while other countries ranged from 9.6 percent (Australia) to 12.4 percent (Switzerland). Life expectancy in the U.S. was the lowest of all 11 countries in the study, at 78.8 years; the range for other countries was 80.7 to 83.9 years. The proportion of the U.S. population with health insurance was 90 percent, lower than all the other countries, which ranged from 99 to 100 percent coverage.
    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...alth-outcomes/
    Life expectancy here may have more to do with lazy, shit bag lifestyle than our healthcare system, just a guess...

    Edit: I’m late to this party...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxer72 View Post
    Life expectancy here may have more to do with lazy, shit bag lifestyle than our healthcare system, just a guess...
    You think we have more lazy people, living shit bag lifestyles than any other country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmycapp View Post
    You think we have more lazy people, living shit bag lifestyles than any other country?
    Have you lived here long?

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    No health care for you until you can prove you can live a lifestyle where you don't need health care. Frickin' genius!

    I think many of you miss the fact that you are already paying for the health care of those "shitbags", like it or not.

    Just like we are all going to collectively pay for those that refuse to wear a mask or get the vaccine by way of more mask mandates, more restrictions, more economic damage, and more loss of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveM View Post
    I am vaccinated.

    Do you believe I should be wearing a mask to reduce the likelihood that I might spread Covid from me to an unvaccinated person?
    A week ago my answer was "hell no".
    Two days ago my answer was "I don't know, maybe".
    My answer today is "yeah, I think you probably should".
    In a week if numbers in our area continue to climb it may go all the way to "it would be very selfish not to".

    My wife and I decided that starting tomorrow we are going to socially distance and mask up for all indoor public situations again. Grocery stores. Shopping. Kids for indoor school.

    Too much evidence that vaccinated individuals are perfectly capable of transmitting this delta variant and able to do so without symptoms.
    Counter that to the relatively small ask of wearing a mask in public. It is just a bit of fabric.

    It turns out a parent of one of our kids' friend is a no-kidding infectious disease medical expert. They recently commented that wearing a mask is primarily a way to keep from transmitting to others.. but does have a legitimate impact on having it transmitted to you. They also confirmed the news we'd read that delta variant is one of the most transmittable disease we have ever seen. More so than chicken pox or measles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    He thinks the concern dates back to the Tuskegee experiment, but his patients voice a general distrust of government, ironically.
    Why would that be ironic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sveesix View Post
    How is that working out for our neighbors north of the border? Have a discussion with anyone from Canada and they have vastly different views of how well national healthcare works.

    Waiting 10-12 weeks for treatment (https://www.fraserinstitute.org/stud...in-canada-2020) is absolutely asinine.

    But yes turn this into a healthcare debate.


    I see you've never been booked far out for treatments and procedures in the great privatized health care system.

    Cause it's clearly immune from such things.

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    The president of the Philippines said he doesn't care if people who deny the coronavirus vaccine die from the virus.

    Rodrigo Duterte told a national address on Wednesday: "For those who do not want it, well, for all I care, you can die anytime."

    He also said he wants the police to restrict the movement of people who refuse coronavirus vaccines: "To those people who do not want to be vaccinated, I am telling you, don't go out of your house."

    "If you go out of your house, I will tell the police to return you to your home. You will be escorted back to your house because you are a walking spreader."
    this guy was one of Drumps buddies, right??

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    Re: Nervous yet? covid-19

    Quote Originally Posted by sveesix View Post
    Pfizer alone made $7.8 BILLION dollars in revenue in the second quarter just on vaccine sales.

    Revenue, is not profit

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    Revenue, is not profit
    COGS is tiny on mRNA vaccines. It is mostly gross profit. What falls to the bottom line is a different story and not easily measured by publicly available financials. However, approved products get fat margins because of the ridiculous risk you take to get one to market. So profits are huge, but warranted, especially considering the risks taken to get this approved.

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    I mean the "unmask our kids is all the rage" out by me

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