Racing Small Bikes vs Big Bikes

[Rada]

And that's WITHOUT gear on. hahaa

Back when I was just a red potato. Not a full grown Russet

[loudbeard]

Back when I was just a red potato. Not a full grown Russet

This reminds me of a story very near and dear to my heart.

Once there was an Irish Potato and an Idaho Potato. They fell in love and were married and a few year later they had a little baby Sweet Potato. Well little baby Sweet Potato grew and grew and off she went to college one day where she met and fell in love with Peter Jennings. Now Sweet Potato and Peter Jennings loved each other very much and decided they wanted to be married, so they went to visit Sweet Potato's parents and ask their blessing. Now Idaho Potato and Irish Potato were very old fashioned and did not approve of this union and they told their daughter; "no little Sweet Potato, you may not marry Peter Jennings, he's just a commentator."

[csmutty]

At first I didn't get it...

Then..

[nhbubba]

Really not sure why the rear stand did not just fold up..
With helmet on it would have hit the wind screen. There was zero chance of shifting either. Lol I suppose if you put the footpegs back by the rear axle it would work

You could have taken the windscreen off and just wedged your visor in there for the straight.

Reminds me of moto3 coverage when they show the on board camera during the straights and the rider is pretzeled over becoming one with the tank and I wonder out loud how the hell do they do that. Then I remember they are like 14 and 4’ something

[isaac_]

At first I didn't get it...

Then..

I don’t get it ::

[tucktuvak]

I also don't get the potato joke. Basically I'm considering trading my rsv mille for an rs125r or something else like an sv650, 600rr etc, or I'll safety wire my superhawk just to get my feet wet racing. I've heard from people there's no way the superhawk would be class competitive vs a modern 600 or bigger but I assume in the novice races it's more about skill than bike.

[loudbeard]

Trade the RSV for a 790 Duke. Probably the most large person friendly, most competitive lightweight out there. I’ll be buying one in the spring.

Potato joke...commentator, Common Tater. It’s a classist joke.

[nhbubba]

Does the 790 duke really class up in LW (SB/SS) with LRRS/CCS? Or is it only LWGP?
Paging Kurlon with your indexed copy of the rulebook to the turquoise courtesy phone please.

[isaac_]

Does the 790 duke really class up in LW (SB/SS) with LRRS/CCS? Or is it only LWGP?
Paging Kurlon with your indexed copy of the rulebook to the turquoise courtesy phone please.

It might as well be a MW. Harlan did a 14.9 last round.

[Crconnor18]

Per the rule book this year the LW class can be up to 800cc liquid cooled twin cylinder. I’m not sure if it was the GP or also the SS though.

[nhbubba]

Well, damn. Hasta lasagna SV650.

[Kurlon]

Correct, at the moment it's a LW, and I don't see any grumblings on CCS venues to get that changed at that level. There was a rule proposal that was pending back in December that no official decision was ever posted for to block the 790 specifically from LW (and allow the FZ07 in UL), maaaaaaaybe that'll get addressed at the end of the year?

[Paul_E_D]

The 790 needs to get pushed up to middleweight IMO, but I'm not making any noise as I don't want to race against them on my 600! lol

[tucktuvak]

Trade the RSV for a 790 Duke. Probably the most large person friendly, most competitive lightweight out there. I’ll be buying one in the spring.

Potato joke...commentator, Common Tater. It’s a classist joke.

The specs on the 790 are pretty impressive, as is the price LOL. Nhbubba was talking about running q2's to race? I had always assumed racers ran slicks. But Q3's are pretty affordable nowadays and that's what I've been running on my superhawk. Are they a real/competitive tire option for novice+amateur level racing?

[loudbeard]

The specs on the 790 are pretty impressive, as is the price LOL.

Really? I feel like $11k for a new bike with those capabilities is a pretty damn good deal.

[tucktuvak]

Really? I feel like $11k for a new bike with those capabilities is a pretty damn good deal.

I guess for a new bike you're right, but I've never bought something new and don't plan to anytime soon, especially for novice racing where I would be likely to crash! It seems like people are winning amateur LW on sv's which can be had race prepped for far less than a new or used duke 790.

[MUZ720]

Does the 790 duke really class up in LW (SB/SS) with LRRS/CCS? Or is it only LWGP?

Currant LW classes consents of Ducati 1100cc monster. Yamaha R5s, Ducati 1100 and 1000cc super sports, KTM790, stock and built SV650s add RS250 and TZ250s in LWGP, LW50 Quite a menagerie and most are hardly light weight bikes.. Top half are doing 14s 15s second tier 17s 18s 19s pretty darn quick also.. looking for a KTM SVM has one for sale ready to roll.
Edit,, Forgot the Karmer!

[nhbubba]

Nhbubba was talking about running q2's to race? I had always assumed racers ran slicks. But Q3's are pretty affordable nowadays and that's what I've been running on my superhawk. Are they a real/competitive tire option for novice+amateur level racing?

NHBubba is an idiot and sucks at time management. I had purchased a brand new set of Pirelli DOT race tires, but did not allow enough time to get them mounted before racing began. Long lame story. But not the real point.
The point is the SV is pretty easy on tires. The Q2's lasted me many, many track days at middle group paces.

That said, plenty of skilled riders race on all kinds of lousy tire choices. I'm not that skilled and so sought the safety of buying as much grip as I possibly could.
Somewhere there is a story of smutty running circles around everyone on 10 year old sport touring rubber.. or something like that.

[Kurlon]

Currant LW classes consents of Ducati 1100cc monster. Yamaha R5s, Ducati 1100 and 1000cc super sports, KTM790, stock and built SV650s add RS250 and TZ250s in LWGP, LW50 Quite a menagerie and most are hardly light weight bikes.. Top half are doing 14s 15s second tier 17s 18s 19s pretty darn quick also.. looking for a KTM SVM has one for sale ready to roll.

This needs some clarification:

LWSS / LWSB - Duc 1100, KTM790, SV650
LWGP/LW50 - Crazy built Duc 1100, Yamaha R5, RS250 / TZ250

For LWSS/LWSB yeah, the KTM is outgunning things.

[csmutty]

NHBubba is an idiot and sucks at time management. I had purchased a brand new set of Pirelli DOT race tires, but did not allow enough time to get them mounted before racing began. Long lame story. But not the real point.
The point is the SV is pretty easy on tires. The Q2's lasted me many, many track days at middle group paces.

That said, plenty of skilled riders race on all kinds of lousy tire choices. I'm not that skilled and so sought the safety of buying as much grip as I possibly could.
Somewhere there is a story of smutty running circles around everyone on 10 year old sport touring rubber.. or something like that.

That was fun times. Was actually lowered in the rear. Giant POS. Had to start it with snap ring pliers to jump the starter solenoid. Was on 10 year old race tires that were cracked from freezing.

[Rada]

Fricken stealing their lunch money Smutty

[Tas]

Does the 790 duke really class up in LW (SB/SS) with LRRS/CCS? Or is it only LWGP?
Paging Kurlon with your indexed copy of the rulebook to the turquoise courtesy phone please.

Harlan is starting to crank it up on his 790, turned a 1:14.9 last round. And he’s dropping time every round.

[tucktuvak]

That was fun times. Was actually lowered in the rear. Giant POS. Had to start it with snap ring pliers to jump the starter solenoid. Was on 10 year old race tires that were cracked from freezing.

What group was this?

[tucktuvak]

There's an episode of the ken hill podcast where he talks about the racers he coaches running within 2-3 seconds of overall lap records on Q3s, hard to believe but I'll see if I can dig it up

[TheIglu]

Just run race tires.


Just get a used SV650 that's already been race prepped. Gen1 or Gen2, doesn't matter.



Done.