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ICON is like A* there mostly into looks instead of actual functionality. Joe Rocket is decent, i guess people just bash em cuz of the way there made. But then again my A* jacket which was 550$ was made in china lol, the velcro tab supposed to keep my zipper in place fell off so i had to sew it back on myself with some thick ass thread.

Ashley your jacket is pretty pimp though. The kid who we rode with crashed yesterday and i think he had a joe rocket textile jacket on, and he came out with nothing but a scratch on his leg. Landed head/shoulder first too.

well i'm sure ICON is better than my G-Max helmet, I'm ordering a Scorpian exo-1000 in a week or so... My brain needs more protection!! :deathslap:

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Joe Rocket?

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no not joe rocket i dnt like the look of joe rockets gear ICON made my jacket hah

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no not joe rocket i dnt like the look of joe rockets gear ICON made my jacket hah

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shhh, don't tell Corey that. Although i do like his J.R. Helmet, it's mad comfy!

ICON is better than no gear.

ICON has the Rep as something squids and posers wear. Possibly because they make some cool looking not that expensive stuff. I just have never seen a good review of anything ICON makes when put up against the others.

Put it this way. Do you see any professional racers wearing ICON?

As for the Motorcyclists review of the Snell rating system. That has been explained numerous times on this very forum. It is debateable until the end of time. Some of the tested helmets that scored well are uncomfortable (Go try on a ZR1) and the G force debate is also mixed (do they test rebound force?)
I ask again. How many ZR1's do you see professional racers wearing? (I doubt they wear em because they are paid to)

YES can some one elaborate on icon....i dont wear it i wear scorpion and speed and strength but im curious! ps ashley!! WELCOME TO nesr!!!

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As for the Motorcyclists review of the Snell rating system. That has been explained numerous times on this very forum. It is debateable until the end of time. Some of the tested helmets that scored well are uncomfortable (Go try on a ZR1) and the G force debate is also mixed (do they test rebound force?)
I ask again. How many ZR1's do you see professional racers wearing? (I doubt they wear em because they are paid to)

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Here is a thread i started a while back on the helmet ratings and the article that Bluej was talking about. after chatting with everyone about it and the reason why one over the other I am personally going for a SNELL rated Scorpian.

Thanks again for all the help in that thread... it definitely helped to get more info on it all!! :shredder: there are some good points made by a lot of people and it will help explain it better.

holy-helmet-info-snell-really-all-its-cracked-up.html

Oh Ashley is this your welcome thread??? I was wondering how i missed that one.

Welcome.... :beerbang:

good point DOC!

after chatting with everyone about it and the reason why one over the other I am personally going for a SNELL rated Scorpian.

HELL YA scorpion!!! you loved mine didnt u lol
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I'm an Arai fan. I'm wearing an Icon helmet on the track. I bought this helmet at the recommendation of my local dealer and friend, who's also my local Arai dealer. Icon has been trying to step up the fit/finish/weight of their helmets to compete with Arai head on. So far, I'm quite pleased with my Airframe, and the Mainframe that proceeded it did a great job protecting my head when I crashed it racing indoors, so count me as a fan at the moment.

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after chatting with everyone about it and the reason why one over the other I am personally going for a SNELL rated Scorpian.

HELL YA scorpion!!! you loved mine didnt u lol
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Oh hell ya, that thing fit me PERFECT, i was on the edge and that just pushed me over!

ya i think they are the best comfortable wise... and the got really good reviews

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Oh its an Icon...you should replace it anyway:teehee:

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ICON is better than no gear.

ICON has the Rep as something squids and posers wear. Possibly because they make some cool looking not that expensive stuff. I just have never seen a good review of anything ICON makes when put up against the others.

Put it this way. Do you see any professional racers wearing ICON?

As for the Motorcyclists review of the Snell rating system. That has been explained numerous times on this very forum. It is debateable until the end of time. Some of the tested helmets that scored well are uncomfortable (Go try on a ZR1) and the G force debate is also mixed (do they test rebound force?)
I ask again. How many ZR1's do you see professional racers wearing? (I doubt they wear em because they are paid to)

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There's two, where's the 3rd so I can prove my point?

Shark,Suomy,Arai,Shoei,AGV are the top 5 helmet manufacturers.

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Shark,Suomy,Arai,Shoei,AGV are the top 5 helmet manufacturers.

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By volume? Pretty sure at least HJC, if not scorpion and icon, are going to be in the top 5.

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haha we were talking about this on our ride yesterday.

I dropped mine down the stairs it rolled then hit the wall. So it will be replaced this year.

Ashley i wouldnt worry about the SNELL rating. The M2001/2005 rating is crap. The new Snell M2010/2011 is comparable to ECE (european) and BSI (british) helmet testing. ECE/BSI is like our DOT just 100x better.

Like some people said you don't know how bad it compressed. Me personally ive been riding with it but God forbid if i crash and the foam is already compressed i could get some brain damage.

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I agree with the Bloo here, FWI. I found a link that took me to a LOOOOOONG article run in Motorcyclist, or some such. Snell says 300G brain-skull g-loadings are ok. Their standard USED to be 400G's. When they found out brain/body injury quotients topped out (meaning, if you top out, your injuries will kill you) at 400G's, they dropped the new standard to 300G's even though a one-time 300G. DOT believes that (IMSM) 220 or 250 is survivable. The European consortium believes most helmet-hits on the street are skuffs on the pavement or flat-sides into curbs. Consequently, they approve of lids that collapse and absorb energy to a 165G brain loading, even if the helmet separates and collapses the styrofoam because THOSE loadings save the brain nearly half the G-loadings of Snell certified and accepted G-loadings of 300G's. At Daytona, where you might whack your head at a cool 180MPH Snell makes sense. On the Street, with average sub-100MPH traveling speeds, the Euro consortium and DOT agree, lower G-loading and the high percentage of structure damage to absorb energy, sparing the brain significant excess G-loads at impact, is the preferred result.

Now we can argue the ergonomics of an Arai are better than those of HJC or Shark, but in terms of head protection on the street? They actually favored the cheaper, DOT and Euro standards to the Snell Standard.

ECE and BSI standards are way above snell M2005 but 2010/11 should be awesome. There saying some M2010 helmets can qualify for ECE.

Im not talking volume im talking quality,fit,finish,safety etc.

Oh, I see. What about the top 5 movies of all time? Also, what's my favorite color?

Aren't icon helmets manufactured by HJC? So are joe rockets as well.

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Aren't icon helmets manufactured by HJC? So are joe rockets as well.

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alot of Icon hating :poke:

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Shark,Suomy,Arai,Shoei,AGV are the top 5 helmet manufacturers.

ECE and BSI standards are way above snell M2005 but 2010/11 should be awesome. There saying some M2010 helmets can qualify for ECE.

Im not talking volume im talking quality,fit,finish,safety etc.

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Seems like a lot of info being throw around as fact for someone so educated about this stuff, IMO. Most of the very educated guys I know, from expert racers to people in the biz, will say there's no way to be certain what's "best" WRT safety, and fit is 100% personal. Most lids, including every Arai & Shoei I've tried on, don't fit me (at least out of the box, not even sure if they would with pad change due to dome shape). All heads are not shaped alike, I don't see how one company can be best with "fit". The best you can hope for is interchangeable pads, and any decent helmet i'm aware of allows that, even many low budget ones.

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Oh, I see. What about the top 5 movies of all time? Also, what's my favorite color?

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That’s easy. Girls gone wild V. 1-5 & blue.

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Are they? That’s an interesting tidbit. Purely anecdotal here, and I’d never try to assert one as safer than another based on my experience, but I felt like my HJC did a much better job protecting my head than my Rocket. Crashed that HJC a bunch of times, was never displeased with the outcome. Crashed the rocket once, fairly easy (I think you saw it, you def. helped clean it up) and I decided I was done w/ Rocket helmets.

Dan i meant top 5 generally used and recommended for fit are those 5.

I know Arai has 2 dif helmet shapes for dif heads, might even be 3.

Rockets are Manufactured by hjc. That doesn't mean they are designed/ tested by hjc, merely built in there plant by there employees. Icon's as far as I know have nothing to do with Either of the afformentioned companies. And I would guess are not made by them as just there shell composites alone are not shared by HJC, and thus rocket as well.

As far as your question goes they eps as mentioned wouldn't have compressed as nothing was there to compress it. The shell however it's impossible to know. Whenever your dealing with a fiber substance its impossible to really know when its cracked as they've said without xraying. There could be micro fractures between internal layers blah blah blah. However you mentioned your friend bringing your gear out of her room? Did it fall on carpet? If so I'd say your probably fine. I have an hjc and hung it up on a coat rack at work last year right when i got it, and it feel at least 3 feet, being cheap i kept it, then proceeded to crash in it a couple months later >_<. It did fine, just ended up with a scrape on the back but i also didn't hit road it was gravel and dirt i hit.

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Seems like a lot of info being throw around as fact for someone so educated about this stuff, IMO. Most of the very educated guys I know, from expert racers to people in the biz, will say there's no way to be certain what's "best" WRT safety, and fit is 100% personal. Most lids, including every Arai & Shoei I've tried on, don't fit me (at least out of the box, not even sure if they would with pad change due to dome shape). All heads are not shaped alike, I don't see how one company can be best with "fit". The best you can hope for is interchangeable pads, and any decent helmet i'm aware of allows that, even many low budget ones.

That’s easy. Girls gone wild V. 1-5 & blue.

Are they? That’s an interesting tidbit. Purely anecdotal here, and I’d never try to assert one as safer than another based on my experience, but I felt like my HJC did a much better job protecting my head than my Rocket. Crashed that HJC a bunch of times, was never displeased with the outcome. Crashed the rocket once, fairly easy (I think you saw it, you def. helped clean it up) and I decided I was done w/ Rocket helmets.

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No offense, but this one is pretty comprehensive..

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/ge...iew/index.html