Another kid dies running from the cops

[greenmonster]

Building up a case for The Man to be further empowered over individuals is weak, and counter to anyone with a free will.

HUH?



btw...it's "mamby", as in "mamby-pamby".....

[Wanderer]

I think the intent is more of a 'dont be a tool' warning to folks - it really is not worth it.

I'm ALL for 'The Man' making it slightly harder for a wet-behind-the-ears rider to climb on something far far beyond his skill level.

Hell, to be utterly mercenary about it - I pay for it. In my insurance premiums and medical insurance coverage.

I'd also prefer it not happen from a humanatarian standpoint - had the rider mabye been on something else, better trained, etc wahtever, he might still be with us. I dont know the guy, but I'm not going to stand and make light of someone's son, brother and oneday father, grandfather getting senslessly killed if it could be made a touch less likley. This guy had a lifetime of riding ahead of him. Operative word here being Had.

The lord of the flies reference is rather passe.

[Kham]

jnm988, do you have the conch?

hey hey that's far enough. well ok duh! she has conch. i think

[Nate Dawg]

And why is this story posted? For a bunch of namby "RIP" tributes? That's great stuff, right there. Building up a case for The Man to be further empowered over individuals is weak, and counter to anyone with a free will.

jnm988, do you have the conch?

You know...this kid that died did make the decision to run. And he paid dearly for that decision. That doesn't mean you need to be and insensitive prick about it.
For the most part we've all made stupid decisions. Especially when we where younger and didn't really know any better. And I'm sure most of us have been in a situation that we could have paid a high cost for. Lucky for us we didn't.

All we're saying is have a little respect for the dead!

[OreoGaborio]

And why is this story posted? For a bunch of namby "RIP" tributes? That's great stuff, right there. Building up a case for The Man to be further empowered over individuals is weak, and counter to anyone with a free will.

Well since I posted the thread, I suppose that was aimed at me..... Which means I have a choice to make now...

Do I waste my time having a conversation with some anonymous troll & explain that this thread isn't about the rider, but more about how we should step up as role models for ignorant new rider?

Or do I ignore the shit talking & watch another user name die a slow death like every other e-thug that's come onto NESR?

tough choice....

[Evil_Weasel]

no kham, conch as in giant sea snail, not cooter.

[Nate Dawg]

no kham, conch as in giant sea snail, not cooter.

[Kham]

no kham, conch as in giant sea snail, not cooter.

thank you i should hav eask first. sorry offtopic.

[Evil_Weasel]

thank you i should hav eask first. sorry offtopic.

no problem, happy to help.

screw the topic, it sucks.

[SSearchVT]

RIP... As mentioned before it was a bad combination. Inexperience and lack of reason mixed with a sportbike.

I sold my bike earlier this year - the kid that bought it was 19, and got his permit the day he picked up the bike. He let me know that he was an experienced rider - because he had a dirt bike when he was a kid. I'm scared to think what has happened.

[naked-daytrader]

I guess I'll be labeled an insensitive asshole by the NESR community as well (what else is new??), but I don't have much sympathy for this individual either. I think it's a sensless accident and I feel bad for his friends and family but I also think this guy was a complete moron and, dare I say, "deserved" what he got or maybe that's the wrong word......I don't know, I have a hard time feeling sorry for people in these stories however, I really do feel sorry for his family.
When I first started riding, my friends and I would drive at insane speeds around the mountains of Hawaii in the middle of the night, most times drunk, and sometimes on acid. Had I crashed and died I would of thought I got what I deserved and would have been ashamed if people actually felt sorry for my moronic behavior....

What's the difference between driving under the influence at stupid speeds and running from the police trying to negotiate turns that are way above your ability?


My 2 cents..

[Origin]

While I understand your reasoning.

A split second decision to run from the cops should not be paid for with someones life.

-the other 98 cents to the dollar in my opinion.

[bigred875]

I guess I'll be labeled an insensitive asshole by the NESR community as well (what else is new??), but I don't have much sympathy for this individual either. I think it's a sensless accident and I feel bad for his friends and family but I also think this guy was a complete moron and, dare I say, "deserved" what he got or maybe that's the wrong word......I don't know, I have a hard time feeling sorry for people in these stories however, I really do feel sorry for his family.
When I first started riding, my friends and I would drive at insane speeds around the mountains of Hawaii in the middle of the night, most times drunk, and sometimes on acid. Had I crashed and died I would of thought I got what I deserved and would have been ashamed if people actually felt sorry for my moronic behavior....

What's the difference between driving under the influence at stupid speeds and running from the police trying to negotiate turns that are way above your ability?


My 2 cents..

you'd be singing a complete different tune if it was someone close to you....he'll even someone on this board...the hypocrisy in this thread is unbelievable

deserve to die...a death sentence for a bad decision on a bike? seriously?? come on people

[Nate Dawg]

I guess I'll be labeled an insensitive asshole by the NESR community as well (what else is new??), but I don't have much sympathy for this individual either. I think it's a sensless accident and I feel bad for his friends and family but I also think this guy was a complete moron and, dare I say, "deserved" what he got or maybe that's the wrong word......I don't know, I have a hard time feeling sorry for people in these stories however, I really do feel sorry for his family.
When I first started riding, my friends and I would drive at insane speeds around the mountains of Hawaii in the middle of the night, most times drunk, and sometimes on acid. Had I crashed and died I would of thought I got what I deserved and would have been ashamed if people actually felt sorry for my moronic behavior....

What's the difference between driving under the influence at stupid speeds and running from the police trying to negotiate turns that are way above your ability?


My 2 cents..

You're such the NESR BADASS!!!

[naked-daytrader]

A split second decision to run from the cops should not be paid for with someones life.

the other 98 cents to the dollar in my opinion.

Of course it shouldn't but in this case it did. Allot of things shouldn't happen due to a split second decision but they do all the time and you must pay the price for your stupidity. What about the city hoodlum who robs a liquor store and in a bad "Split second" decision, freaks out and shoots the clerk? Now he's spending the rest of his life in jail paying for his stupid "Split second" decision. I'm sorry but I don't buy your argument, but then again I've always been accused of thinking differently from 99% of the population so I may be off base here...not sure but it's just how I feel

[bigred875]

Of course it shouldn't but in this case it did. Allot of things shouldn't happen due to a split second decision but they do all the time and you must pay the price for your stupidity. What about the city hoodlum who robs a liquor store and in a bad "Split second" decision, freaks out and shoots the clerk? Now he's spending the rest of his life in jail paying for his stupid "Split second" decision. I'm sorry but I don't buy your argument, but then again I've always been accused of thinking differently from 99% of the population so I may be off base here...not sure but it's just how I feel

paying the price for a mistake is different then deserving to die

[naked-daytrader]

you'd be singing a complete different tune if it was someone close to you....he'll even someone on this board...the hypocrisy in this thread is unbelievable

deserve to die...a death sentence for a bad decision? seriously?? come on people

Maybe I would be singing a different tune Red but it still doesn't make it right however anyone feels. If it were my friend..(Knock on wood), I'm sure I'd feel sorry for him and there would be someone else with a different opinion on the board. I don't think my argument is that far off base here..

[naked-daytrader]

paying the price for a mistake is different then deserving to die

Maybe deserved was to strong a word

[OreoGaborio]

FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, PEOPLE. I didn't post this article to talk about this shit. You guys are missing the point.


The kid was inexperienced.... He was going WAY too fast... it cost him his life. This shit happens but it doesn't have to. THIS is why I work for Tony as an instructor and THIS is why I'm hoping to become an MSF Rider Coach next spring.... Because I do what I can to reach as many new riders as I can to keep this kind of unnecessary shit from happening. I've ridden with a number of new riders just this year in an attempt to help them out with their riding, show them the ropes & show them there's a way to have fun riding while still riding responsibly.

There's SO many people here that could take new riders under their wing or be MSF instructors, but I hardly see that kinda thing happening around here. Instead I see secret rides where only "special" people are invited. I know WHY it happens, but I think it's a bit selfish.

I think it's time the experienced riders on this board stepped up & showed some leadership.

[Origin]

Of course it shouldn't but in this case it did. Allot of things shouldn't happen due to a split second decision but they do all the time and you must pay the price for your stupidity. What about the city hoodlum who robs a liquor store and in a bad "Split second" decision, freaks out and shoots the clerk? Now he's spending the rest of his life in jail paying for his stupid "Split second" decision. I'm sorry but I don't buy your argument, but then again I've always been accused of thinking differently from 99% of the population so I may be off base here...not sure but it's just how I feel

I did change my post saying I can understand where your coming from, Which I do..

I can't quite relate killing someone to this story though. Making the decision to take a gun out to rob the place is not a split second decision, Pulling the trigger may be..but not the initial robbing.

We all do pay for our mistakes, Some punishments are harder than others. And I can understand your thoughts on it, But I don't agree with them in any way.

But as long as people choose to make a bad decision people will pay the price, In this case he paid one of the ultimate prices. I know if it was me though, I would take this outcome over injuring or killing some innocent person instead.

[OreoGaborio]

Oh, by the way... i think it's INCREDIBLY hypocritical and shows SERIOUS poor taste when a BORN member shows up on here and says this kid deserved to die when BORN lost a DEAR friend just last year in an accident shrouded in mystery.

I think that right there is about as pathetic & dishonerable as you can get and I feel like an asshole just bringing it up.

[Origin]

FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, PEOPLE. I didn't post this article to talk about this shit. You guys are missing the point I was trying to make.


The kid was inexperienced.... He was going WAY too fast... it cost him his life. This shit happens but it doesn't have to. THIS is why I work for Tony as an instructor and THIS is why I'm hoping to become an MSF Rider Coach next spring.... Because I do what I can to reach as many new riders as I can to keep this kind of unnecessary shit from happening. I've ridden with a number of new riders just this year in an attempt to help them out with their riding, show them the ropes & show them there's a way to have fun riding while still riding responsibly.

There's SO many people here that could take new riders under their wing or be MSF instructors, but I hardly see that kinda thing happening around here. Instead I see secret rides where only "special" people are invited. I know WHY it happens, but I think it's a bit selfish.

I think it's time the experienced riders on this board stepped up & showed some leadership.

Yeah..A friend of mine has been riding with me since last year. He got his permit and got a bike and started riding.

I kept telling him to take the MSF, wear his gear, wear boots, gloves all that.

He kept putting it off.

Since we both started riding 2 years ago at the same time, I have been in 0 accidents, 0 dumps and 0 situations where i felt like I didnt know what to do. There has been times where cars have been close to hitting me or sending me into something and the training I got in MSF along with the good riding techniques I have picked up from great riders on here got me out of trouble. There has been times where i make a mistake and instead of dumping the bike I can make up for it and make a safe recovery. I owe that to MSF instructors and many people on here I have ridden with.

Him on the other hand, Has had 5-6 accidents, the most recent being a couple days ago on my street. The first time he gave too much gas on cold tires around a turn and the end came out, he and the bike were fine, some scratches on both but good to go. Second was he was comming out of a street and a car hit him, He was fine but the bike was pretty bad(this one as described to me wasnt his fault, but i still believe proper training eliminates the possibility for others to put you in bad situations) Third and forth times I dont know much about. What I believe is the 5th time(if not more) was right infront of me, He did a wheelie down my street as he took off and flipped it over. He rashed his legs up a bit and hurt his ankle pretty bad. He wasnt wearing jeans, just sweatpants. He had gloves and a helmet on, No jacket but a back protector. After this one I told him he better start wearing his gear and I think he has learned his lesson, I hope he has.

Lucky for him he didnt pay too much for his mistakes, But it could have been worse.

I know when I meet a new rider I always reccomend this site to them and tell them to wear their gear and make sure they've taken the MSF course, But theres only so much you can do.

I wont sell a bike(no matter the engine size) to anyone without MSF training, When I sell my 954 I wont sell it to anyone who hasnt ridden at least a 600 for a while. It's one of the few things I know I can do personally, Unfortunatly they can go somewhere else and buy a zx-14..

[Jaynnus]

Oh, by the way... i think it's INCREDIBLY hypocritical and shows SERIOUS poor taste when a BORN member shows up on here and says this kid deserved to die when BORN lost a DEAR friend just last year in an accident shrouded in mystery.

I think that right there is about as pathetic & dishonerable as you can get and I feel like an asshole just bringing it up.

I had been biting my tongue....seriously, but as was stated earlier in this thread, feelings change when it is one of your own. RIP Reed.

Momma taught me....'if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all'.... I don't always take that fine advise, but at times of catastrophic loss I sure do try.

Nobody deserves to die for split moment bad decision that does not involve violence.

Again...RIP young rider.

[Kham]

from scale of 1 to 10, im on 5. thte man is just as responsible from the initial stop. kid was scare, adrenalin went up and ride over his head.

[GixerJockey]

Oh, by the way... i think it's INCREDIBLY hypocritical and shows SERIOUS poor taste when a BORN member shows up on here and says this kid deserved to die when BORN lost a DEAR friend just last year in an accident shrouded in mystery.

I think that right there is about as pathetic & dishonerable as you can get and I feel like an asshole just bringing it up.

... RIP Reed (NOXEN)