Klr650 yay or nay?

[dankatz]

I also didn't mention that I am 5'7" and 150lbs, so for my weight the 2014 CRF250L with the stage 1 kit seems fine for what it is. The crf300L is supposed to be more powerful than the 2017+ CRF250L. The second iteration of the crf250L is also more powerful (slightly) than the original 2013-2016 models. My crf250L is so well setup with two sets of wheels (running 17" with Dunlop Mutants currently), steel braided lines, and all the other mods that it is hard for me to justify an upgrade to a crf300L. That being said, I like the 2025 models a lot. It is a very very different bike from the KLR or DRZ. The main issue with DRZ400 is the stock gearing - nothing else. That can be fixed with some $$$ by putting the wide ratio gear kit. The KLR has the comfiest seat and offers the best wind protection on the highway. So not exact comparison. KLX300S/CRF300L/WR250R are in the same group for me.

[RandyO]

KLR group buy lol?

Not particularly interested myself, but could get the ball rolling with an inquiry to the right person, how many units ?

[boosten lebaron]

I feel your right person is the owner of seacoast powersports and that would be the wrong person for me, no matter the deal. I'm in for one anyway, maybe two if I work on a neighbor.

[nhbubba]

The main issue with DRZ400 is the stock gearing - nothing else.

The suspension is also dated (although arguably still good 'nuf for most of us).
And the carburetor. Seriously trying to decide if I am up for another round of endless needle changes coupled with constantly wondering if the bike running like shit is junk in the carb, too low/high float set or some other random ass thing. Double down with my itch to try a flat-slide, probably a chinese knock off FCR because I'm a cheap mofo. The flat-slide with accelerator pump seems like a whole nother thing when it comes to tuning. Meanwhile with the EFI bikes like the 300L it is just bust out the CC and pay a tuner.

Fuck me. Now I'm back in the used DRZ camp! Quick, find me something with a dead battery, rusty chain and bald tires.

[MattR302]

Fuck me. Now I'm back in the used DRZ camp! Quick, find me something with a dead battery, rusty chain and bald tires.

How bout this plated “E” model up our way?
“E” already has the pumper carb, plus this one has tank, seat, and suspension upgrades, and a second set of wheels
https://advrider.com/f/threads/2002-drz-400e.1754939/

[boosten lebaron]

I am really going down the cheap adv rabbit hole now. I am looking at a ktm 390 adventure and a bmw 310gs now. The KTM just lost all its rebates though so i dont think its worth it. The bmw can be had for about the price of the KLR. I don't know jack about either of them.

[Kurlon]

Give the KTM a couple months for the fire sales to start.

[whynot]

If it wuz me, I think I'd stay with the KLR search over the KTM or BMW -- tried and true, parts and aftermarket availability, and I suspect more durable and less maintenance and lower maintenance costs.

[boosten lebaron]

If it wuz me, I think I'd stay with the KLR search over the KTM or BMW -- tried and true, parts and aftermarket availability, and I suspect more durable and less maintenance and lower maintenance costs.

Your right of course. I will say I never seriously looked at either one before and the bmw looks surprisingly good for what I am looking for. The KTM is too filled with farkels for me but it's probably the best on paper at least.
Word is there are no more discounts coming for the klr until next winter so they are expensively out of the question now. The cheap ones I found online are just ones that have not had the ad updated to show the newer, non rebate, price.
Bmw is offering some money off now and that might increase later when the 2025 models come out due to a redesign. It sure is pretty though. Especially the white one.
KTM has already had its fire sale, at least on its current stock. Two weeks ago I could have gotten that 390 adventure otd for under $5k. Now they are somewhere around $7k.
The search continues

[Crconnor18]

You should buy a ‘21 890 adventure-r

2021 KTM 890 Adventure-r (feeler)

[whynot]

You could try out my DR350SE, it's still for sale. I think you'd be surprised. I found it better handling on the street that the DR650 I had for a while.

Fresh oil & filter in November. On my last long ride, the big tank proved its worth, after 170 miles, I still hadn't reached reserve.

Winter NESR pricing available no doubt.

1996 Suzuki DR350SE

[Gixxer]

You could try out my DR350SE, it's still for sale. I think you'd be surprised. I found it better handling on the street that the DR650 I had for a while.

1996 Suzuki DR350SE

Or you could trade the DR for a 99 ZX-9R, I’ll even throw in free soft luggage <3

[boosten lebaron]

I'm going to try my hand at the real deal Seacoast sport cycle with this bad boy.

https://seacoastsport.com/products/2...85tt-adventure

Ticks a lot of my boxes but it has one major downfall I don't know if I can live with. New Motoguzzi must go to the dealer to have the service system reset. You can not turn off the alerts on your own. So every oil change or service interval needs dealer assistance to do. The forums show it's maddening trying to ignore the warnings on the dash. It's probably why the bike hasn't sold but it sure is pretty.

[RandyO]

I'm going to try my hand at the real deal Seacoast sport cycle with this bad boy.

https://seacoastsport.com/products/2...85tt-adventure

Ticks a lot of my boxes but it has one major downfall I don't know if I can live with. New Motoguzzi must go to the dealer to have the service system reset. You can not turn off the alerts on your own. So every oil change or service interval needs dealer assistance to do. The forums show it's maddening trying to ignore the warnings on the dash. It's probably why the bike hasn't sold but it sure is pretty.

I'd be riding that instead of a V-strom if it was around back then, but their adventure entry at the time was the Quota, just didn't do it for me. a year later though the Stelvio really peaked my interest

[boosten lebaron]

They look like solid bikes. The service reset is a real bummer though. I would be looking at half a days trip every oil change just to get rid of the service warnings. That kinda sucks when I put it in writing. And God knows what that would cost.

[SteveM]

I'm going to try my hand at the real deal Seacoast sport cycle with this bad boy.

https://seacoastsport.com/products/2...85tt-adventure

Ticks a lot of my boxes but it has one major downfall I don't know if I can live with. New Motoguzzi must go to the dealer to have the service system reset. You can not turn off the alerts on your own. So every oil change or service interval needs dealer assistance to do. The forums show it's maddening trying to ignore the warnings on the dash. It's probably why the bike hasn't sold but it sure is pretty.

Same bullshit issue with my Triumph Thruxton. Fortunately, it's only a little wrench icon I can ignore.

[FriskyDingo]

I'm going to try my hand at the real deal Seacoast sport cycle with this bad boy.

https://seacoastsport.com/products/2...85tt-adventure

Ticks a lot of my boxes but it has one major downfall I don't know if I can live with. New Motoguzzi must go to the dealer to have the service system reset. You can not turn off the alerts on your own. So every oil change or service interval needs dealer assistance to do. The forums show it's maddening trying to ignore the warnings on the dash. It's probably why the bike hasn't sold but it sure is pretty.

WHOA!! has this discussion taken a turn, truly a NESR winter thread

Seems like a great deal, Razee has 2 2023 Base models listed on sale at $10,940. That's a bitch about the reset, Moto Guzzi community / market must be too small to get a DIY module / software solution...

Good luck with this deal, hopefully they don't find a new way to bend you over

[boosten lebaron]

Gotta talk about something in the winter right?

Guzzi has the ECU on lock down apparently. It's a money run for sure. What I found amusing is the ads for the bike say it's a simple motor design and ease of maintenance means lower overall costs with the shaft drive blah blah. A simple oil change requires the dealer to reset the light so not exactly a lower cost thing.

I'm on the fence about trying it out. I found another one for cheaper but it's further away so the dealer will be useless to me if I need to have that light reset, most likely I would be going up to seacoast at that point or maybe razees so money saved probably won't .matter much. I'm going to ask seacoast if they would entertain the idea of giving me free light resets if I buy the bike. Still a pain to get it up there though.

[RandyO]

Gotta talk about something in the winter right?

Guzzi has the ECU on lock down apparently. It's a money run for sure. What I found amusing is the ads for the bike say it's a simple motor design and ease of maintenance means lower overall costs with the shaft drive blah blah. A simple oil change requires the dealer to reset the light so not exactly a lower cost thing.

I'm on the fence about trying it out. I found another one for cheaper but it's further away so the dealer will be useless to me if I need to have that light reset, most likely I would be going up to seacoast at that point or maybe razees so money saved probably won't .matter much. I'm going to ask seacoast if they would entertain the idea of giving me free light resets if I buy the bike. Still a pain to get it up there though.

I spent a few minutes last night googling guzzi reset codes and procedures, didn't find anything specific to the v85, but did find some codes for other models, and also on some bikes, the code is the last 5 digits of the vin, I'll bet that it's out there

[boosten lebaron]

Advrider has a whole thread that's thousands of pages long on the v85tt and no one has been able to reset the light themselves. Even the tuner companies can't do it. A lot of people just put black tape over the light to get by but if you have an engine problem you won't know since the light is the same.
I spent about 6 hours last night going over that thread and the ones on some guzzi forum. The same 3 complaints pop up over and over again about the v85. The light reset issue, the cruise control indicator being the same as the blinkers, and a terrible windscreen. Other than that it's all good things.

[whynot]

I'm going to try my hand at the real deal Seacoast sport cycle with this bad boy.

https://seacoastsport.com/products/2...85tt-adventure

Ticks a lot of my boxes but it has one major downfall I don't know if I can live with. New Motoguzzi must go to the dealer to have the service system reset. You can not turn off the alerts on your own. So every oil change or service interval needs dealer assistance to do. The forums show it's maddening trying to ignore the warnings on the dash. It's probably why the bike hasn't sold but it sure is pretty.

Excellent choice! Go for it! I had a 2020 V85TT for 3 years, excellent bike and value. The 2020 had tubed tires and some fueling issues, and since I'm fickle, I moved on. Guzzi has resolved all AFAIK.

It's easy to get used to all that luggage space. The bike does it all.

Now I have a 2023 Guzzi V7 850 (the special with the Arrow exhaust), I do my own service, and the little wrench service light don't bother me none, just part of the dash decor.

There are some very good parts suppliers if you can't get to the dealer -- https://www.mgcycle.com/, https://harpermoto.com/, and https://www.af1racing.com/

Are you talking with Seacoast owner Jim Smith?


PS -- AJ Cycle on Rt. 2 in Gill MA, while no longer an official MG dealer, still services Guzzi (and BMW)

[FriskyDingo]

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I'm on the fence about trying it out. I found another one for cheaper but it's further away so the dealer will be useless to me if I need to have that light reset, most likely I would be going up to seacoast at that point or maybe razees so money saved probably won't .matter much. I'm going to ask seacoast if they would entertain the idea of giving me free light resets if I buy the bike. Still a pain to get it up there though.

They just called so i'll be going in to pick up the Duke this week, I'll ask my friend in service if they'd be willing to do just a light reset without the oil change and if so what they'd charge.

[boosten lebaron]

Excellent choice! Go for it! I had a 2020 V85TT for 3 years, excellent bike and value. The 2020 had tubed tires and some fueling issues, and since I'm fickle, I moved on. Guzzi has resolved all AFAIK.

It's easy to get used to all that luggage space. The bike does it all.

Now I have a 2023 Guzzi V7 850 (the special with the Arrow exhaust), I do my own service, and the little wrench service light don't bother me none, just part of the dash decor.

There are some very good parts suppliers if you can't get to the dealer -- https://www.mgcycle.com/, https://harpermoto.com/, and https://www.af1racing.com/

Are you talking with Seacoast owner Jim Smith?


PS -- AJ Cycle on Rt. 2 in Gill MA, while no longer an official MG dealer, still services Guzzi (and BMW)

Interesting. They have moved to tubeless but i cant say anything about fueling. I havent read anything about it anyway. Did you do any adv with it? How did the weight feel to you?
Yes, I am talking to Jim.
I dont know if the bikes share the same dash but i guess at night is when the icon is a real problem. Like a yellow beam of light directly into your brain some have said.

[Paul_E_D]

The little beemer is a great looking ADV bike. We have been tempted.

[whynot]

Interesting. They have moved to tubeless but i cant say anything about fueling. I havent read anything about it anyway. Did you do any adv with it? How did the weight feel to you?
Yes, I am talking to Jim.
I dont know if the bikes share the same dash but i guess at night is when the icon is a real problem. Like a yellow beam of light directly into your brain some have said.

Yes, they have fixed the fueling from what I have read. If you find a problem and the dealer says it's normal, you can get this Mistral plug -- the 2020 needed it, and it made a vast improvement. I guess you could ask on adv rider if the 2023s need it. Basically a work around the ECU.
https://www.af1racing.com/mg-v-twinb...g-vtwinboost11

I did a little smooth dirt road, but nothing challenging, I have very little dirt experience. A friend has one and goes off-pavement with it. The weight is reasonable, but the tank sits up kinda high compared to my V7, that made it feel heavy to me with a full tank. I'm 5'9" -ish 30" inseam. (Not as strong as I used to be. Not as young, either. ) Getting on I'd often step over it (horse-riding style), then the suspension sags enough for flat-footing.

On the service icon, the V7 is pretty innocuous. Back when I had the Multistrada 1000, the low fuel light would come on at half a tank, so I stuck a piece of tape over it haha.

I've bought 6 bikes from Seacoast Sport Cycle (aka "SSC") since 2007. Jim deals straight.

I mentioned AJ Cycle in Gill. You might be able to make a ride-in appointment for them to plug in and check for codes and shut off the service light. Good people (Allen and David), old school, reasonable pricing.

I'd suggest joining a couple of FB groups out of Central MA organized by Jim C. the friend who has a 2023 V85TT.
https://www.facebook.com/share/g/19iy2eZcxu/
https://www.facebook.com/share/g/17qy1qx3it/ (he just posted a "south" version of his ADV route)