Motorcycles and Cancer - Electromagnetic Radiation Risk?

[Pleasegivesoap]

Anyone hear about this? Any docs or specialists on NESR who can comment about whether ELF EMR exposure from the bike is a risk?

Looking for real responses,folks who are knowledgeable about EMR effects on tissue and who can comment on it, not just speculate that it's a scam (it may be, but EMR is scary! )

http://www.motorcyclecancer.com/index.asp

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2009/01/2...udy-goes-soft/


News Release

Motorcycle Cancer Seat Patent Granted

MISSISSAUGA, Ontario -- The United Kingdom has granted a patent to Canadian inventor Randall Dale Chipkar for his innovative 'ELF EMF shielding motorcycle seat'. The invention is designed to shield motorcycle ELF EMF magnetic field radiation from penetrating the vital organs of riders.

"I am grateful to the U.K. for sharing my vision and I appreciate their recognition of this serious health concern for motorcyclists. This is a major step in my quest to protect riders worldwide," Chipkar says.

"Various types of extremely low frequency electromagnetic field (ELF EMF) radiations are linked to health disorders including cancer. Millions of motorcycles generate excessive ELF EMF magnetic radiation up through the seat penetrating directly into the rider's groin and torso. The prostate is of major concern as it is one of the closest delicate glands invaded by the radiation. The colon and neighboring organs are also at risk," adds Chipkar.

Major organizations now agree that ELF EMF magnetic fields are a possible carcinogen. People should not have to gamble with their health because they love riding motorcycles. Consumer safety is priority.

[DucDave]

If you Google 'Tapping Therapy' you have to get to the 3rd or 4th page before you see anything that would lead you believe that this is anything more than 'bunk'....

http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2004/...f-gammage.html

I'm sorry to say that your article looks like a promotion and scare tactic to get you to buy a book and a 'seat'.

But, perhaps a doctor that has looked at the primary research linking motorcycle elf/emf to cance will contradict me. Oh, wait...I didn't see anything in the post that suggested real research had been done at all...

I hope you get some 'real responses' but wouldn't hold my breath!

[R1]

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" People should not have to gamble with their health because they love riding motorcycles."

L O L

Yeah you might want to craft up a pair of tinfoil undies to match the ole tinfoil hat.

Of course by saying "tin foil" I mean aluminium foil and by "craft up" I mean sell your bike.

Real or fake it's probably bottom of the long list of things that will kill a motorcyclist.

[Falko]

Wow, my nuts were hurting after riding to work today. I thought it was that corolla that pulled in front of me and me nailing the brakes too hard. Now I'm starting to wonder...

[RandyO]

many years ago, I did some survey work at Pease AFB on the runway, when we were near the ILS antenna array we were told if they had to turn it on, the tower would give us as much notice as possible, but to get to hell out or risk getting our nuts fried

[breakdirt916]

hi guys, I just did a primary literature search using EMBASE and MEDLINE databases within the last 15 years or so, using keywords "motorcycle" and "cancer" and did not see any randomized placebo controlled (can you even set this up?) clinical trials, or ANY literature altogether, that have demonstrated that EMR from the bike has been associated with an increase in (whichever) types of cancer

the closest I found is an article discussing cytochrome P450 1A1 and 1B1 induction by motorcycle exhaust particulate in human breast cancer MCF-7 cells (using mouse subjects)

theoretically speaking, I'm sure it's a possible risk, but I'm going to say it's not a worry until it's been confirmed by strong literature...if anyone has a good study to show me, I'll rip through it and tell you the strengths/weaknesses so we can properly assess the risks with our brains, and not from a marketing ploy

personal credentials: grad school degree, know how to search medical literature, but I suck @ oncology (although I'm technically experienced: my grad poster presentation was on on a novel CXCR4 receptor antagonist used to increase H-stem cell transplant yield for multiple myeloma and non hodgkin's lymphoma )

[Kazinator]

BS

[Degsy]

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hi guys, I just did a primary literature search using EMBASE and MEDLINE databases within the last 15 years or so, using keywords "motorcycle" and "cancer" and did not see any randomized placebo controlled (can you even set this up?) clinical trials, or ANY literature altogether, that have demonstrated that EMR from the bike has been associated with an increase in (whichever) types of cancer

the closest I found is an article discussing cytochrome P450 1A1 and 1B1 induction by motorcycle exhaust particulate in human breast cancer MCF-7 cells (using mouse subjects)

theoretically speaking, I'm sure it's a possible risk, but I'm going to say it's not a worry until it's been confirmed by strong literature...if anyone has a good study to show me, I'll rip through it and tell you the strengths/weaknesses so we can properly assess the risks with our brains, and not from a marketing ploy

personal credentials: grad school degree, know how to search medical literature, but I suck @ oncology (although I'm technically experienced: my grad poster presentation was on on a novel CXCR4 receptor antagonist used to increase H-stem cell transplant yield for multiple myeloma and non hodgkin's lymphoma )

How did they get the mice to ride the bikes?

[DucDave]

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How did they get the mice to ride the bikes?

(Oh, and I really don't give a shit about this.)

[breakdirt916]

[camhabib]

Science for dummies: In the world of carcinogens, Sweet'n Low is more likely to cause cancer then EMF.

Real explanation (still dumbed down): Cancer is typically caused by the penetration of a cell by a force. This force, be it a gamma ray, beta particle, strong magnetic field, UV light, etc, disrupts the DNA and "clockwork" of a cell to the point where the lifecycle of that cell is altered. Sometimes the cell is altered in a way that causes immediate death (premature aging for example) and other times, it's in a way that inhibits the natural and systemic process (death) of that cell. When the latter happens, the cell, instead of ceasing replication after a set number of times, continues to replicate uncontrollably, leading to the condition we typically call cancer.

Typical radioactive decay emits a particle with enough energy that it can easily penetrate the membrane, and will, should it strike a DNA molecule, physically alter it (breaking bond, etc). UV light, similarly, can penetrate the cell membrane, and excite the DNA molecules to a point where bonds are rearranged, and the chemical structure is altered. EMF has no physically emitted particle, and has no way to excite or directly transfer energy in a way to impact a molecule. DNA, by it's chemical structure however, is charged. While an EMF can interact by this property, the charge differences between bases of DNA is minimal, and such a uniform force is unlikely to cause that single base alteration that causes cancer. Unlikely, but still possible (cases of cancer from living near power plants / high voltage lines for example). Your bike would have to emit either a) an extreme force or b) a mild force thats felt for an extremely prolonged period of time before there is any chance of cancer. I say chance because radiation does NOT cause cancer. The failure of the bodies immune and normal systems, by way of not recognizing the error produced (which happens millions of time normally in the body) is what causes cancer.

[Rossco]

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How did they get the mice to ride the bikes?

[rbrais]

I've got brass balls, so that should shield the radiation.

[toocrazy2yoo]

In an age where we live in the midst of so many sources of radiation it's almost impossible to catalog them all, I don't see much threat here. But over the course of the day, keep the phone out of your pocket, minimize the use of that as much as possible, lose the BlueTooth earpiece (a KNOWN RF threat), keep a hard-wired land line at your desk or on the wall at home, avoiding the cordless sets as much as possible. If you talk on cells or cordless a lot, split the usage 50/50 left/right ear. Play the odds. If you want to shield your nuts, fine, easy. A 7 or eight-layer lining of aluminum foil on the bottom of the seat of your bike will block THAT radiation. Good stuff, foil. Wrap your license, toll pod, whatever is RFID-chipped, nothing gets in or out. No one source of radiation/RF/EMF is a problem, but all of them together? I wouldn't bet the next dose of chemo that all of it together doesn't cause accumulated effect over years and decades. But why NOT minimize what you can? Hey, I'm an old fuckah, this stuff didn't come into being until I was pushing 45. When I was in the service, I made sure to protect my hearing around airplanes 10X more than most other guys and always protected against the UV with good sunglasses and eye shielding on my cranial helmets and goggles on the flight decks. Lo and behold, old guy still has good hearing, 20-20 vision, no cataracts. If I was 20 or 25 with a long life of exposure ahead to all the RF in the air, betcherass, I'd be cutting back on the diet of IF, solar and EM radiation every chance I could. Again, it's not any ONE source, it's all of them piled up over decades. And these Pulse Modulation digital cell phones at 5 ghz are a prime source. It all adds up..

[Evadd]

i agree that there has probably been zero studies looking at this in an objective manner. i'd look at it like this: if they are claiming that the electromagnetic radiation is high when sitting on a motorcycle, it should be proportionally higher coming from a car or truck (due to the larger engine size). as such, the distance from the engine is probably proportionally higher, thereby giving you the same amount of protection.

in any case, until you show me studies comparing cancer in motorcycle riders to non-riders, i'm going to say exactly what should be said: evidence or BS. anyone can claim anything. until you give proof that it's harmful, i have zero reason to believe anyone's BS claim, ESPECIALLY if they're selling something. actually, if they're selling something that enforces what they're claiming, they better have damn good evidence for me to believe them: a double-blinded, controlled study conducted by a 3rd party.

[Stromper]

Stress is a major cause of most illness

Have a smoke to calm your nerves

My EMF is making my macrame all frizzy

70 % of all men will get prostate cance....

[DucDave]

70 % of all men will get prostate cance....

...but most will die of something else...

[bostongixxer]

I've found that the best solution is to ride fast enough so that the EMF radiation trails out behind the bike, rather than up your ass. That's my solution.

[rbrais]

So......If somebody has their head stuck up their ass, are they more likely to get brain cancer rather than prostate or testicular? Think I'm f-ed.

[toocrazy2yoo]

...but most will die of something else...

You be right about that, Davie-Boy. Prostate cancer CAN kill ya young, but mostly doesn't. All the old guys they autopsy have it from age 70 or 75 on, but for most peeps, they never know, they stroke out or Infarc out from a heart attack before the prostate cancer blows up on them. But this RF and EMRadiation, however you want to define it, is a more serious issue than folks think. And the folks that make these devices, they're aware of the cumulative risk and damage, but no one is talking about it-yet. So best you kids can, try to minimize exposure..

[Cerberus]

hi guys, I just did a primary literature search using EMBASE and MEDLINE databases within the last 15 years or so, using keywords "motorcycle" and "cancer" and did not see any randomized placebo controlled (can you even set this up?) clinical trials, or ANY literature altogether, that have demonstrated that EMR from the bike has been associated with an increase in (whichever) types of cancer

the closest I found is an article discussing cytochrome P450 1A1 and 1B1 induction by motorcycle exhaust particulate in human breast cancer MCF-7 cells (using mouse subjects)

theoretically speaking, I'm sure it's a possible risk, but I'm going to say it's not a worry until it's been confirmed by strong literature...if anyone has a good study to show me, I'll rip through it and tell you the strengths/weaknesses so we can properly assess the risks with our brains, and not from a marketing ploy

personal credentials: grad school degree, know how to search medical literature, but I suck @ oncology (although I'm technically experienced: my grad poster presentation was on on a novel CXCR4 receptor antagonist used to increase H-stem cell transplant yield for multiple myeloma and non hodgkin's lymphoma )

just for haha's have you ever done research on DCA (dichloracetate)
it seems to have a lot of promise for tumor type cancers..

Science for dummies: In the world of carcinogens, Sweet'n Low is more likely to cause cancer then EMF.

Real explanation (still dumbed down): Cancer is typically caused by the penetration of a cell by a force. This force, be it a gamma ray, beta particle, strong magnetic field, UV light, etc, disrupts the DNA and "clockwork" of a cell to the point where the lifecycle of that cell is altered. Sometimes the cell is altered in a way that causes immediate death (premature aging for example) and other times, it's in a way that inhibits the natural and systemic process (death) of that cell. When the latter happens, the cell, instead of ceasing replication after a set number of times, continues to replicate uncontrollably, leading to the condition we typically call cancer.

Typical radioactive decay emits a particle with enough energy that it can easily penetrate the membrane, and will, should it strike a DNA molecule, physically alter it (breaking bond, etc). UV light, similarly, can penetrate the cell membrane, and excite the DNA molecules to a point where bonds are rearranged, and the chemical structure is altered. EMF has no physically emitted particle, and has no way to excite or directly transfer energy in a way to impact a molecule. DNA, by it's chemical structure however, is charged. While an EMF can interact by this property, the charge differences between bases of DNA is minimal, and such a uniform force is unlikely to cause that single base alteration that causes cancer. Unlikely, but still possible (cases of cancer from living near power plants / high voltage lines for example). Your bike would have to emit either a) an extreme force or b) a mild force thats felt for an extremely prolonged period of time before there is any chance of cancer. I say chance because radiation does NOT cause cancer. The failure of the bodies immune and normal systems, by way of not recognizing the error produced (which happens millions of time normally in the body) is what causes cancer.

very interesting
perhaps the radiation altered cells slip by the immune system more easily than other mutations?