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Haha the flip out at the end was unexpected and funny. Clearly its not a DOT light and the cop was super lenient to let him go with 3 warnings. I expect that if the law about something protruding from a helmet is actually for the purpose of safety it would be a pretty easy argument if you're able to point out the break off points or a statement from the manufacturer.
Full disclosure with LEOs, always. This applies whether you are recording them or carrying a concealed weapon. I dont like surprises and neither do they since the bulk of them mean well and are just doing their jobs.
If you tell them up front and they dont request you to turn it off, you are good to go.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.37.530 gets you:
Digging that up nets you: http://www.bikersrights.com/nhtsa/fmvss218.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by RCW 46.37.530
That's what this officer is going by.Quote:
Originally Posted by 49 C.P.R. Sec. 571.218
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Originally Posted by DucDave
ooooh good one! :teehee:
Chatterboxes all stick out more than 5mm. I'll have to double check Tenn and NC laws on that one. I'll Try Lycos!
The last thing you want to do if youre carrying a concealed weapon is tell the cop about it, unless he is about to search you. Otherwise, its none of his business.Quote:
Originally Posted by PainfullySlow
I don't think that's correct at all. If you try that and wait any amount of time and then you tell him, I can almost guarantee that he will flip the fuck out when you do tell him.Quote:
Originally Posted by xrocket21
I can't find the relevant info in MA though :dunno:Quote:
In Ohio (as in many states), the law requires concealed carry gun owners to immediately inform law enforcement if they have a weapon when they are pulled over.
It does kinda make sense.
Granted the GoPro doesn't fit the reasoning behind why you shouldnt have something protruding but I can see how it increases the chances of breaking your neck.
Massachusetts just recently (in the last six months?) passed a law prohibiting the recording of Police Officers at all. I'm tired or I'd look up the law.
http://www.universalhub.com/2011/cou...ng-police-offiQuote:
Originally Posted by noxin
Kurlon, Thanks for the reference. Now, can you make sure all the police in Massachusetts see that so no one hassles me?
That cop seemed like a nice guy :dunno:
MGL CH 272 SEC 99 covers this in Mass...
Outrage not found. It appears the guy was stopped for no tail light, and the cop only mentioned the law about the recorder. The guy only just heard about the law now?
Exactly the opposite. The courts clarified that the police officers had no expectation of privacy and thus could be legally recorded.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxin
If you are asking if wearing a helmet cam will get you hassled, I wore one commuting almost every day last season and they either didn't notice or didn't care. Most of the LEO that I know don't mind being videotaped: they feel it is more likely to protect them than hurt them.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxin
I read more than one story in the news stating that recording of leo's Without both parties consenting was made illegal...Quote:
Originally Posted by Garandman
http://gizmodo.com/5553765/are-cameras-the-new-guns
The date on that article is last year, the court decision reversing the Mass law was made Friday...
Aaaaah, cool... Hadn't seen the updated ruling. :shredder:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurlon
Have you taken a concealed weapons course?Quote:
Originally Posted by NobodySpecific
It varies by state. I don't believe any New England state requires you to disclose, while elsewhere - Alaska, for example - you are obliged to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by NobodySpecific
If you ask 100 LEO's whether to disclose or not, half will probably say yes and half will probably say no. The "no" think it just complicates an otherwise trivial encounter.
My personal position is that I disclose because if I were a LEO, I'd want to know, so I treat him the way I'd want to be treated.
In the CCW class I took, they said if you are asked to step out of the vehicle, at that time, you should tell the officer "I have a LTC-A License and am currently exercising that right".
Sure, half of the cops will freak out because you've been sitting on a gun while they were dealing with you, but rarely does a licensed person draw down on an officer in a traffic stop.
Course?Quote:
Originally Posted by xrocket21
This is VT. We don't need no stinkin' course!
I know many motorcyclists who feel the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Bread
that is some BS.
ehhhh wrong! I lived in VT for many years and it is legal to carry concealed and loaded. When you are confronted by the police or pulled over you TELL them about the weapon. I've had to do it before when I was pulled over. I just told the cop I have a hand gun (9mm) on my left side and that it was loaded. He reached in took out the weapon placed it on the roof of the car and proceeded. When all was done and over with he handed me back the gun and went on his way.Quote:
Originally Posted by xrocket21
In mass you should tell them too, that is unless you don't have the license to carry concealed :)
If you don't tell them right away or wait until you are being searched the police will just think you are hiding something and give you even more shit.
Yep love the gun laws in VT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Bread
$50 fine for aiming a firearm in the direction of another person
$100 fine for discharging the firearm in the direction of another person without hitting them.
you can take your firearm into ANY building other than state or federal buildings. Get this it's perfectly legal to go on school grounds with a weapon so long as you do not enter the building or buses.
I went into my bank one day and forgot I had my gun on me, I was walking or I would have left it in the car. The woman told me I could not come in there with a gun. Being that I knew the clerk and was a long-time bank customer I explained to her that I had every right. If she was requesting I not bring it next time that's one thing but telling me I cannot or telling me to leave because of it is a violation of rights in VT.
Oh yea it's still on the book in VT that you MUST bring your shotgun to church with you on Sunday, this is back in the cowboy/indian days :)
man I wonder if new hampshire is like that. video taping, that is.