for those who like riding at a ton

[RandyO]

https://www.wmur.com/article/speedin...HJjSOA2ru3Eq8w

[FriskyDingo]

i'm truly puzzled as to which side of this issue you would possible fall, it would seem a true conundrum.....

[RandyO]

I'm on the side for not getting caught, hasn't passed and signed by governor yet, but no doubt it will

[SteveM]

I'm on the side for not getting caught, hasn't passed and signed by governor yet, but no doubt it will

When's the last time you rode at a ton?

[MUZ720]

Drive any major highway if you not doing 80 plus you're getting run over.

[PurplePackage]

only go 99mph in NH
got it

[RandyO]

When's the last time you rode at a ton?

my AK550 tops out at 115, I let it stretch it's legs routinely

[e30addict]

NH has had this weird hard on for "extreme speeding" for quite some time now. Want to actually reduce accidents etc... increase training, not revenue collection and penalties. You'd think people would have learned by now that MOAR LAWS has a history of failing to accomplish anything meaningful.

[RandyO]

Drive any major highway if you not doing 80 plus you're getting run over.

my vstrom don't even get into top gear till 80

[e30addict]

Also, fines based on HP to tax, er penalize, the rich more? Idiots. Bring on the bikes! Even a 24hp EX250 will hit 100

[MUZ720]

already testing
https://www.wmur.com/article/122-mph...h-325/64111826

[Vovchandr]

already testing
https://www.wmur.com/article/122-mph...h-325/64111826

So much to unpack in this

• 18 year old
• Dodge Charger Hellcat driving at 122 mph
• with two infants and a woman

Is the car and the kids his? If not who let him drive this car with infants that may or may not be his

Also, fines based on HP to tax, er penalize, the rich more? Idiots.

If the fine for disobeying the law and getting caught doesn't even inconvenience you at worst, then as you say "laws don't work".

[RandyO]

The several times I have been caught on my bike in excess of a ton, I rode away with a verbal warning

one time in particular, I remember the lecture verbatim, "Alright boys, I know your dressed for it, but this ain't a race track, you guys were ding 85+ in a 30 when you went out of range of my radar. and I know your were going a hellava lot faster than that. YOU (with his finger pointed directly at me) Twice in one week (same cop gave me warning earlier in week for 55 in same zone) You gotta slow down." Then he proceeded to tell the group he wanted me to lead ?

[Vovchandr]

I have no problem with government regulating public safety

[RandyO]

I have no problem with government regulating public safety

nor do I, but there is a point that regulation becomes excessive, I believe that portions of 89 and 93 should have no restriction on speed

[e30addict]

Every time one of these threads come up it all boils down to this. The 85th percentile has shown to be the safest speed and it's what society wants. We vote with our feet everyday. "Safety" being slow is a holdover from the oil crisis and the 55 NMSL. Geico and the like convinced law enforcement that speed kills and funded/rewarded them handsomely to go after people exceeding the arbitrarily low speed limits. They chanted the speed kils mantra so much sheep started to believe it.

NH's approach is shockingly along the lines of we know better than you and want to punish you for daring to do what you want. Crazy to me all things considered.

As I said previously, if this was just about safety the focus would be on increasing training and raising the bar so the public could do what we clearly want to do in a safer manner. It shouldn't be to keep getting a progressively bigger hammer to keep the populace in line, especially with what NH claims to value.

[e30addict]

The kid thing is a piss poor attempt at garnering sympathy and outrage to "do something". It's a straight up scare tactic designed to illicit an emotional response.

I'd put money on plenty of people in this forum being more capable at 100mph with a kid in the car then the average schmuck out there tooling along at 50 on the interstate by themselves. I know plenty of people I'm comfortable with at triple digits. The type of passengers in the vehicle doesn't change their skill level.

[RandyO]

Every time one of these threads come up it all boils down to this. The 85th percentile has shown to be the safest speed and it's what society wants. We vote with our feet everyday. "Safety" being slow is a holdover from the oil crisis and the 55 NMSL..

a zillion years ago, mid-late 80's I was one of 3 representatives from my town in the "East-West Highway Study Committee" studying routes to bypass Route 4 from Concord to the seacoast

you hit the nail on the head with the 85th percentile, Add another highway factor, level of service, A thru F (F=failing to handle traffic @ 55mph)has to do with the median speed, having a 40mph speed limit will fail a highway, and the reason it's 40 is the 85th percentile thing

The more I think of it, no limits on portions of 89 and 93 would be a smart move

and they never built the EW Highway, just a few improvements to 4-9-202

[MUZ720]

Just drove down to SC. I can see raising the speed limit in some areas. But unlimited is asking for trouble as road density is a big issue, lots of traffic mostly doing ten over the posted number (70) south of Richmond and then you get the guys doing 20 plus over and weaving thought the group your hooked up with. It's the close passing and the brake slamming in the pack just to get passed E1. My guess is with no limits it would be a free for all that would not end well.

[RandyO]

I don't see unlimited on 95 except north of Bangor

[e30addict]

My guess is with no limits it would be a free for all that would not end well.

That seems to be a common objection. The 85th percentile deal says that won't be the case. A good example is when it snows bad here. Technically the limit is way higher then what the average driver does because they don't "feel" safe even though it's allowed.

[e30addict]

I'd also add to my earlier statement, Germany has half the fatality rate compared to the US. To me that's a further indication speed is not the problem that needs to be solved here.

[Vovchandr]

I'd also add to my earlier statement, Germany has half the fatality rate compared to the US. To me that's a further indication speed is not the problem that needs to be solved here.

How about a full picture of German driving.

It's a lot harder to get a test and culture is different. Self righteous asshole individualism isn't observed on the road and you don't have drivers hogging the left lane

"The cost of obtaining a licence for driving a car is on average 3,000€ (US$3,300 in January 2024)"

Edit: when "everybody" gets to drive you have to accommodate for everybody. Make it more selective and you can find tune the selection to better drivers. The extra selective thing will not go anywhere in the states. Old people don't even get retested who are worse than new young drivers.

[e30addict]

How about a full picture of German driving.

It's a lot harder to get a test and culture is different. Self righteous asshole individualism isn't observed on the road and you don't have drivers hogging the left lane

"The cost of obtaining a licence for driving a car is on average 3,000€ (US$3,300 in January 2024)"

Edit: when "everybody" gets to drive you have to accommodate for everybody. Make it more selective and you can find tune the selection to better drivers. The extra selective thing will not go anywhere in the states. Old people don't even get retested who are worse than new young drivers.

Yes, it shouldn't be if you can fog a mirror and pay a fee you get a license here. Raising the bar goes will go a long way to addressing most of that for a few different reasons. I'm not so sure I agree with the young vs old thing as much anymore. We do have more boomers which is going to cause a short term spike in issues as that demogrpahic ages more, but the complete disregard for anything shown by the younger crowd is an issue in the other direction. Shocking amount of single vehicle rollover type stuff for example. Too many simply stare at the phone instead of drive. This type of behavior becoming the norm as more Gen Z Gen Alpha types become the predominant driving population doesn't bode well for reducing accidents.

I'd also argue we see the exact same issue on the low end of things as well. It used to be 25mph in congested areas, now we are seeing more 20mph safety zones and because that's not working (shockingly ) there are calls for even lower so pedestrians and cyclists are "safe". The bulk of the drivers out there didn't change their habits when Boston went to 25 from 30 and I don't see any real difference in the 20mph zones either. People are gonna do what they want whether the low side gets lower or the high side is enforced more. Solving either problem as nothing to do with the number on the sign and continuing to focus on that isn't going to do jack shit.

[obsolete]

Also, fines based on HP to tax, er penalize, the rich more? Idiots. Bring on the bikes! Even a 24hp EX250 will hit 100

If the penalty for something is a fine then it's only a rule for the poor. All fines for everything should absolutely be based off what you make. Why should punishment hurt one person more than another. It's having the death penalty but if you're poor you get a pit of alligators.