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    Re: for those who like riding at a ton

    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    If the penalty for something is a fine then it's only a rule for the poor. All fines for everything should absolutely be based off what you make. Why should punishment hurt one person more than another. It's having the death penalty but if you're poor you get a pit of alligators.
    I understand where you're going with that, but fines based on HP is a stupid metric if you're truly trying to accomplish that.

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    Re: for those who like riding at a ton

    If the penalty was jail, or community service instead of a fine, it would penalize the poor or favor the rich

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    Re: for those who like riding at a ton

    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Also, fines based on HP to tax, er penalize, the rich more? Idiots. Bring on the bikes! Even a 24hp EX250 will hit 100
    I'll bet that if someone a bit smaller stature than me and could get into a good tuck, could get to a ton on my K-Pipe with a 190cc engine (18hp±)

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    Re: for those who like riding at a ton

    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    ..... Geico and the like convinced law enforcement that speed kills and funded/rewarded them handsomely to go after people exceeding the arbitrarily low speed limits. They chanted the speed kils mantra so much sheep started to believe it......
    THIS was huge, one of the true urban legend/conspiracy theories, insurance CO. funded police with the edict "speeding tickets, speeding tickets, speeding tickets". Every ticket a "point", every point another $500 per year insurance premium for 3 years. When I got my license my insurance co. didn't track infractions below accidents, no points for moving violations, my 1st 3 years of driving I got 15 speeding tickets, like $45 each and no insurance penalty.

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    I understand where you're going with that, but fines based on HP is a stupid metric if you're truly trying to accomplish that.
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    In Finland, speeding tickets are linked to your income
    https://www.weforum.org/stories/2018...o-your-income/
    Around 3,400 people die in traffic crashes every day, leading to around 1.25 million deaths globally each year.

    One-third of these deaths are caused by speeding, according to the World Health Organization. With road traffic crashes the leading cause of death among young people, some countries are coming up with innovative ways to stop people speeding.

    In Finland, speeding fines are linked to salary. The Finns run a “day fine” system that is calculated on the basis of an offender’s daily disposable income – generally their daily salary divided by two.

    The more a driver is over the speed limit, the greater the number of day fines they will receive.

    This has led to headline-grabbing fines when wealthy drivers have been caught driving very fast.

    In 2002, Anssi Vanjoki, a former Nokia director, was ordered to pay a fine of 116,000 euros ($103,600) after being caught driving 75km/h in a 50km/h zone on his motorbike.

    And in 2015, Finnish businessman Reima Kuisla was fined 54,000 euro ($62,000) for driving 22km/h over the 50km/h speed limit.

    Progressive punishment

    Finland isn’t the only country to apply so-called “progressive punishment” to speeding fines.

    Switzerland uses a similar system, and currently holds the world record for a speeding ticket. It was handed to a Swedish motorist in 2010 who was caught driving at 290km/h. He was fined 3,600 Swiss francs per day for 300 days – around 1,080,000 Swiss francs ($1,091,340) in total.

    The UK introduced tougher speeding penalties in 2017. Drivers can be fined up to 175% of their weekly income, on a sliding scale depending on the severity of the offence. However, the amount is capped at £2,500 ($3,310).

    While European countries lead the way for the biggest speeding fines, they also lead in impounding cars, and imprisoning drivers too.

    France, Finland, Spain and Germany all have laws that can send speeding repeat offenders to jail.

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    While punishment is the primary mechanism most nations use to discourage speeding, some countries are exploring more positive ways to protect road users and encourage responsible driving.

    As part of a mission to achieve zero road traffic deaths by 2020, Sweden simultaneously strengthened its driving laws and improved its infrastructure.

    Nearly half of those dying on the world’s roads are classified by WHO as “vulnerable road users”: pedestrians, cyclists, and motorcyclists.

    With that in mind, Sweden has built more roundabouts, has fewer intersections, and vehicles cannot turn where people cross streets. More pedestrian bridges have been built, and bicycles are separated from oncoming traffic.

    In the UK, meanwhile, insurance companies are using technology to encourage more responsible driving.

    Telematics systems, otherwise known as black box recorders, can be installed into vehicles to monitor how the car owner drives. They have been targeted at young beginner drivers, the age group that typically faces the highest insurance premiums.

    By having a black box installed at no charge, insurers offer discounts on their insurance premiums, either up front or as part of a reward system for good driving.

    WHO predicts that globally road traffic crashes will rise as more people in developing economies become car owners. Innovative approaches to encouraging good driving and discouraging speeding will be vital if the newly adopted 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development is to meet its ambitious target of halving the global number of deaths and injuries from road traffic crashes by 2020.

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    Re: for those who like riding at a ton

    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    I understand where you're going with that, but fines based on HP is a stupid metric if you're truly trying to accomplish that.
    Sorry, I thought you were referring to the Finnish method posted below. I don't think fines should be based on HP but income. License levels by hp seems like a way to get people to take training more serious.

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    Re: for those who like riding at a ton

    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    Sorry, I thought you were referring to the Finnish method posted below. I don't think fines should be based on HP but income. License levels by hp seems like a way to get people to take training more serious.
    All good. I actually didn't read the original quote correctly either. I thought it was fines per hp but he seems to be actually saying registrations should based on hp, also still stupid.

    "Somebody that's driving a Ferrari or something is not going to be deterred by some $200 fine for speeding," said state Rep. Richard Lascelles, R-Litchfield. "So, I would like to see something tied to horsepower at the point of registration."
    HP would be an interesting tiered strategy on motorcycles like in other countries, but not necessarily 4 wheeled vehicles. I'd think either weight or type of vehicle would be better there. Too many people who don't even belong in a small footprint 2500 lb car are driving larger/heavier pickup and SUVS that are capable of stupid weights. I know you know first hand how fast a small change in weight can really get away from you in a hurry if you don't know what you're doing.

    No way in hell does something like that pass in this country though. I only like the idea in theory and based on frustration. There's still a large side of me that says fuck off, I should be able to drive what I want.

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    I doubt that New Hampshire will look to Finland for speeding enforcement advice

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    I doubt that New Hampshire will look to Finland for speeding enforcement advice
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    I wish we'd put more effort into producing better drivers. There are plenty of shit drivers out there regardless of speed and horsepower.

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    Right, it's all conjecture because there will be no meaningful change. But those are things I'd like to see. That and if you use a phone while driving I can smash it with a hammer.

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    Re: for those who like riding at a ton

    Make fine for hand held devices like the one for commercial vehicles and that shit would stop real quick....if anyone actually enforced it anyway.

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    That's always the rub. I'd be ok with making the same as a DUI.

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    Re: for those who like riding at a ton

    Quote Originally Posted by e30addict View Post
    Make fine for hand held devices like the one for commercial vehicles and that shit would stop real quick....if anyone actually enforced it anyway.
    you haven't been paying attention, there is one, loss of license as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    That's always the rub. I'd be ok with making the same as a DUI.
    it pretty much is here in NH

    https://gc.nh.gov/rsa/html/XXI/265/265-79-c.htm

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    Re: for those who like riding at a ton

    Quote Originally Posted by RandyO View Post
    you haven't been paying attention, there is one, loss of license as well
    A small fine and the threat of loss of license doesn't mean anything when it isn't enforced. Change that to a situation where the fine starts at an exponential value and actually enforce it. Totally different.

    The difference locally is $100 to almost $3k for the first offense. Pop a couple of people at the latter and it will make the news. Actually make it stick and not tossed and eventually people will take notice. Again, snowball chance in hell any of that happens.

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