speeding ticket in Weymouth

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Originally Posted by obsolete

went out with plaid in the 90's.

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Plaid went out in the 90's? Damn, time for some new clothes.:mecry:

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Originally Posted by SteveM

Getting mouthy with a cop is the dictionary definition of "no win situation."

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Very true. I got the cuffs and a 6 hour tour of Revere and Cambridge jails 'cause of my mouth' back in the day. Back then I was much cooler. Now, Im not so cool to mouth off to the police.

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Originally Posted by Kham

you said "your passenger's life is in your hand". we'r enot talking getting hit by a train. you can go ahead and wear any suit for that. might as well make it black color suit. dont try to get around it.

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Exactly how is their life and wellbeing *not* entirely in your hands, your responsibility? Short of the passenger freaking out and somehow causing a crash - what happens to them is one hundred percent the responsibility of the rider.

And as we know, sometimes incidents occur that are hard or impossible to avoid - other cars, deer, mechanical failures - so its really the responsibility of the rider to do the best he or she possibly can to safeguard a passenger.

You have a choice with your actions as the rider. The passenger has to put their trust in you implicitly. The least you can do is repay it by giving them the best possible chances.

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Originally Posted by Wanderer

Exactly how is their life and wellbeing *not* entirely in your hands, your responsibility? Short of the passenger freaking out and somehow causing a crash - what happens to them is one hundred percent the responsibility of the rider.

And as we know, sometimes incidents occur that are hard or impossible to avoid - other cars, deer, mechanical failures - so its really the responsibility of the rider to do the best he or she possibly can to safeguard a passenger.

You have a choice with your actions as the rider. The passenger has to put their trust in you implicitly. The least you can do is repay it by giving them the best possible chances.

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huh??? am i not speaking english again? of course the rider is responsible. that's not what im saying. reread please?

I got clocked doing 78 in a 50 a while ago, I'm 20 and I had full gear on. I knew I was in the wrong right when I went past the cop, so I pretty much just pulled over right away, got all my documents out and waited. it was probably 80*-85* out that day, but I was there in full gear, helmet, gloves, pants, jacket and boots. I shot the shit with the cop for like 10 minutes, and he knocked my ticket down to 65 in a 50. I also wasnt inspected at the time, but he didn't even mention it.

Officer did right in my book.

Be happy you "only" got the 3 tickets you earned as I'm sure there's plenty more legal issues associated with your machine.

Carry on.

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Originally Posted by Kham

huh??? am i not speaking english again? of course the rider is responsible. that's not what im saying. reread please?

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My Bad, sorry Kham, I thought you were saying the opposite :)

The OP has disappeared....

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Originally Posted by obsolete

Recording is a felony? Porque?

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wiretapping statute in nh - 2 party consent required

can video but cant audio if told not to. need to inform of recording - told to stop must stop audio recording - b felony if you don't

Luckily in Vermont there is no statute for recording conversations, although the courts have ruled on both sides in separate cases.

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Originally Posted by Nikon

wiretapping statute in nh - 2 party consent required

can video but cant audio if told not to. need to inform of recording - told to stop must stop audio recording - b felony if you don't

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aren't the dash cams in cruisers wired with audio? (curious.. don't know).... honestly I just assume each stop is recorded a&v now.... but last time i got stopped (about a month ago) nothing was said about it. or does this law not apply to traffic stops?

Maybe if you wear your gear and tell her how important it is; and that it would mean a lot to you if she wore gear she would... I dont know just a guess.. and theres no excuse for not having an inspection sticker already you've had the bike for 2 weeks

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Originally Posted by Wanderer

Plus, how do you know he didnt check radar? Its not like you cant have radar running on a police bike, have it give the speed of an oncoming vehicle, and turn around to pursue it...

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i mean on the ticket itself, he left no indication of how he knows i was going 51....he's supposed to check a box that says radar, posted, estimated, etc.





and as far as MY attitude. i stood next to my bike silently the entire time while the first cop (on the bike) wrote my ticket. he was already more than halfway through writing it when the other douche cop called my girlfreinds disposable and critisized what i was wearing...thats when i got angry.

and people on here who know me beyond where it says im 19 know thats ive been riding for almost 3 years now and ride responsibly (usually) and wear the right gear. i figured since we were going to the beach and it was 90 plus out it would be more comfortable to wear what i wore, and usually she wears better clothing but she didnt want to be on the beach in jeans and didnt have a change of clothes with her so...i can tell you, my politeness would not have gotten me off the ticket. it was a holeish cop + me and girlfriend with little gear + yellow suzuki = ticket. like i said, i only got mouthy after the 2nd cop came and the ticket was already written

there you go folks. must be redneck town.

Police cars that have recording devices are usaully turned on with the lights and the recording should not be able to be accessed by the officer...

Audio and vidio in public ??
I'm sure all the poperotzi (photoghraphers) , private detectives and your local peeping tom's know the laws better ,

You can say i am recording this for MY saftey and yours,,
I think thats how it goes..
Besides how many traffic stops make it to federall court where they need a rulling on what evidence to let in..I don't think Rodney King had any problems.

But when your in public your fair game..no one like to be recorded in these situations. it's in fear of something comming back to haunt you. Intimidation.

Phone conversations that are intended in legal maters ,like taking statements.. have to be notified and ok'ed with no interuptions like call waiting or puttting on hold..
permision is needed for filming for the purpose of making money

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Originally Posted by P_easy

I got clocked doing 78 in a 50 a while ago, I'm 20 and I had full gear on. I knew I was in the wrong right when I went past the cop, so I pretty much just pulled over right away, got all my documents out and waited. it was probably 80*-85* out that day, but I was there in full gear, helmet, gloves, pants, jacket and boots. I shot the shit with the cop for like 10 minutes, and he knocked my ticket down to 65 in a 50. I also wasnt inspected at the time, but he didn't even mention it.

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Was this the same one you came on here asking how to fight? :poke: :lol:

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Originally Posted by *GhostRide37

and as far as MY attitude. i stood next to my bike silently the entire time while the first cop (on the bike) wrote my ticket. he was already more than halfway through writing it when the other douche cop called my girlfreinds disposable and critisized what i was wearing...thats when i got angry.

and people on here who know me beyond where it says im 19 know thats ive been riding for almost 3 years now and ride responsibly (usually) and wear the right gear. i figured since we were going to the beach and it was 90 plus out it would be more comfortable to wear what i wore, and usually she wears better clothing but she didnt want to be on the beach in jeans and didnt have a change of clothes with her so...i can tell you, my politeness would not have gotten me off the ticket. it was a holeish cop + me and girlfriend with little gear + yellow suzuki = ticket. like i said, i only got mouthy after the 2nd cop came and the ticket was already written

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1st Welcome back. Glad you are sticking around.

2nd. You said.

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Originally Posted by *GhostRide37

when the other douche cop called my girlfreinds disposable and critisized what i was wearing...thats when i got angry

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You should have said

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Originally Posted by *GhostRide37

when the other officer disrespected my girlfriend and critisized what i was wearing...thats when I got upset and opened my mouth when I shouldn't have.

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You said

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Originally Posted by *GhostRide37

and people on here who know me beyond where it says im 19 know thats ive been riding for almost 3 years now and ride responsibly (usually) and wear the right gear. i figured since we were going to the beach and it was 90 plus out it would be more comfortable to wear what i wore, and usually she wears better clothing but she didnt want to be on the beach in jeans and didnt have a change of clothes with her so...i can tell you, my politeness would not have gotten me off the ticket. it was a holeish cop + me and girlfriend with little gear + yellow suzuki = ticket. like i said, i only got mouthy after the 2nd cop came and the ticket was already written

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You could have said

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Originally Posted by *GhostRide37

People who know me know that I've been riding for 2 summers and ride responsibly (usually) and wear the right gear. I was an idiot and just thought since we were going to the beach and it was 90 plus out it would be more comfortable to wear what I wore, I was wrong as I should wear all the gear all the time and make my Girlfriend or any passenger do the same as it is the mature and intelligent thing to do. She does uysually wear better clothing but she didnt want to be on the beach in jeans and didnt have a change of clothes with her so... we shouldn't have went to the beach on my bike.
I can tell you, I do not feel my politeness would have gotten me off the ticket. The officer seemed in a bad mood. Maybe he thought he was dealing with a punk kid and maybe I could have done things differently to make the whole situation come out better. I learned a valuable lesson and will be smarter in the future so that me and girlfriend with little gear + yellow suzuki = ticket. I honestly don't think my getting mouthy had anything to do with my getting a ticket. Stupid? Yes but who here wouldn't have been a little peeved at the officer for insulting you and your girlfriend?

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Not being an ATGATT guy, I will not beat you up for not having all kinds of gear on.
Someone said earlier in this thread to be calm, respectful, and well dressed for the court appearance, and I agree. Respectfully state the facts of the case, that you were approaching the officer head on, that he did not check the appropriate box on the ticket as to how he got your speed, and state that you definately were not going 51 mph (since he does not have "Radar" or "Clocked" checked, you can do this). You can then explain to the magistrate or court officer that the officer and his "assistant" proceeded to berate your girlfriend in front of you, and her, in a blatant attempt to escalate the situation, which is exactly what they are *not* supposed to do.
Above all, be respectful, dress well, and rehearse your plea. You will be nervous, guaranteed, but you can succeed here.
If you adhere to these guidelines, you can be sure to get the ticket reduced, or continued without finding, and you can get a little satisfaction in exposing the officers for what they did.
If nothing else, the Gates/Crowley case drew attention to the fact that having a bad attitude is not against the law - especially if the attitude was provolked by the police, which in your case, it certainly was. No, you did not get arrested for it, but you did end up on the recieving end of poor treatment.
In the mean time, I am sure that this little event will slow you down a bit, and that is surely a good thing for everybody involved.
Good Luck!

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Originally Posted by FlynGSXR1k

aren't the dash cams in cruisers wired with audio? (curious.. don't know).... honestly I just assume each stop is recorded a&v now.... but last time i got stopped (about a month ago) nothing was said about it. or does this law not apply to traffic stops?

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if he's got a mic on his person, he's supposed to tell you he's recording.

remember, this is nh law - i now you're in nh so it applies but to others reading, nh is 1 of i think only 2 states that require 2 party consent

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Originally Posted by BluGixxer

Police cars that have recording devices are usaully turned on with the lights and the recording should not be able to be accessed by the officer...

Audio and vidio in public ??
I'm sure all the poperotzi (photoghraphers) , private detectives and your local peeping tom's know the laws better ,

You can say i am recording this for MY saftey and yours,,
I think thats how it goes..
Besides how many traffic stops make it to federall court where they need a rulling on what evidence to let in..I don't think Rodney King had any problems.

But when your in public your fair game..no one like to be recorded in these situations. it's in fear of something comming back to haunt you. Intimidation.

Phone conversations that are intended in legal maters ,like taking statements.. have to be notified and ok'ed with no interuptions like call waiting or puttting on hold..
permision is needed for filming for the purpose of making money

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not in nh

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Doc again.... :-)

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Originally Posted by kb1ioq

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Doc again.... :-)

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you need an intervention

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Originally Posted by Nikon

if he's got a mic on his person, he's supposed to tell you he's recording.

remember, this is nh law - i now you're in nh so it applies but to others reading, nh is 1 of i think only 2 states that require 2 party consent

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Interesting info.. thanks man!

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Originally Posted by FlynGSXR1k

Interesting info.. thanks man!

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u got it:jackie:

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Originally Posted by Nikon

u got it:jackie:

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So next time I'm ripping through the White Mtns, I'll be sure to turn on my helmet cam for those crazy boys in blue on the Kanc :-) :deathslap::beerbang::idea: