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I've ridden the older BMW F800 and have a 790 ADV-R. They couldn't be any more different. The BMW is sewing machine electric feel of heavy flywheel without the rush of ever coming on the pipe. The KTM feels like it is a two stroke in comparison. It pulls and then screams like a very lightweight flywheel of a two stroke. Harder to ride as a two stroke as well. The BMW is easy to ride as it doesn't ever get exciting. The KTM is very exciting to ride.