Re: Be sure and wave to the camera so you look good for the crash
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I was going to put a -sorry degs- in that post, but I know that you know that I know that we know that I wasn't referring to your pretty red machine. Or anybody that has one without an attitude or Ducati/puma doo-rags.
Or even the guy I quoted for that matter.
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jayth
If you do a little more reading you'll find that the injuries described there weren't the older fellow on the Triumph Thunderbird, but another rider who lost control of his bike about an hour after that first accident. He apparently hit the fluids left on the road. That rider went off into the trees and is the one who suffered the bad injuries. The older fellow is suffering from minor injuries to his arm.
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tls25rs
Let me start this off by saying that I do not think that the photographer is in any way responsible for the actions of the motoring public driving by on the road.
I am curious when someone, involved in one of these accidents where they are "distracted" by the photgrapher, is going to try to sue the pants off the photgrapher for negligence. The sad part is that there would likely be either a settlement or a hearing where the photgrapher would be found at least a slight bit negligent in setting up on the side of a public way to take photos to sell to make a profit (albeit a very small profit I would assume, don't think anyone is getting rich off of taking photos at the gap). Hopefully it never comes to that but this is the sue happy world in which we live in.
Joel
We do act differently when we are under observation though; ever change your walk, puff out your chest when someone starts staring at you? How about when the car behind you is a LEO? It's not 100% blame but it is a factor.
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Wait, someone starring at you is responsible for YOUR actions because YOU change your actions when you start staring at them?
I know I'm one of the ones that beats the personal responsibility drum a lot around here. But surely we can all agree about where the buck stops in this instance!
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nhbubba
But surely we can all agree about where the buck stops in this instance!
Yep. It's the photographer and driver of the vette who caused this problem.
I just include the driver of the vette as on another discussion I've been having about this there are a couple guys who keep saying how much responsibility Killboy has in this (even though it isn't killboy taking the pictures) . If you're going to be silly at least do it well.
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Father Ribs
We do act differently when we are under observation though; ever change your walk, puff out your chest when someone starts staring at you? How about when the car behind you is a LEO? It's not 100% blame but it is a factor.
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nhbubba
Wait, someone starring at you is responsible for YOUR actions because YOU change your actions when you start staring at them?
I know I'm one of the ones that beats the personal responsibility drum a lot around here. But surely we can all agree about where the buck stops in this instance!
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jasnmar
Yep. It's the photographer and driver of the vette who caused this problem.
I just include the driver of the vette as on another discussion I've been having about this there are a couple guys who keep saying how much responsibility Killboy has in this (even though it isn't killboy taking the pictures) . If you're going to be silly at least do it well.
As a parent of two teenagers I certainly support personal responsibility in a person's actions. In spite of this, I fnd the parallel to quantum mechanics and Schrödinger's cat to be surprising. As Father Ribs says, the observer, just by observing, can affect the outcome. Again, I am not saying the observer is responsible for the situation but they are a factor.
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gadget
As a parent of two teenagers I certainly support personal responsibility in a person's actions. In spite of this, I fnd the parallel to quantum mechanics and
Schrödinger's cat to be surprising. As Father Ribs says, the observer, just by observing, can affect the outcome. Again, I am not saying the observer is responsible for the situation but they are a factor.
Yes, but in Schrödinger's argument, the outcome of the experiment depends on the observer, but it doesn't depend on the observer being observed. In this case Triumph Guy's behavior changes because he knows that there is an observer, which is, IMO, different than Schrödinger's argument.
Indeed, if photo guy wasn't there, it is unlikely that Triumph Guy would have been waving to the trees. Photo guy did impact the overall outcome, but responsibility lies with Triumph Guy.
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Father Ribs
How about when the car behind you is a LEO? It's not 100% blame but it is a factor.
I start walking all around the lane because I'm busy watching him in my rear-view :D Bad habit that needs to die fast.
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jasnmar
Yea, I was skeptical as well, but then I saw one of the other guys post
It seems the injured riders username is "usedtobefast", so the son's would make sense.
I wasn't skepitcal. I just thought it was interesting. Perhaps you could call it an interesting coincidence? I'm going to guess soon2befast has an older brother who's like greased lightning :P
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Poor Vette. And Vette owner.
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WordTooYoMamma
I am glad we are not this snooty... Although I think Kenn would have fun with it.... :spank
Wait, what? Spanking you Chris? Yeah I could have fun with that!
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The vette stopped him from going off the road. The driver must have ben happy about at least! :D
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nhbubba
Wait, someone starring at you is responsible for YOUR actions because YOU change your actions when you start staring at them?
I know I'm one of the ones that beats the personal responsibility drum a lot around here. But surely we can all agree about where the buck stops in this instance!
What about the personal responsibility of the person who crashed because of the puddle of oil this guy laid down? I wonder if he bears the same burden of personal responsibility regardless of the circumstances of what came before him and whether he actually had knowledge of it. It was his personal responsibility to ride safely, thus one cannot attribute his crashing to the waving guys failure to pay attention to his surroundings.
And if that were the case, it makes the post about the other rider crashing completely irrelevant, except as a good example of cause and effect.
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She deserved to get raped for dressing provocatively. What?
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Exceeding safe speed for the road conditions. Each of us is responsible for riding at a speed to accommodate for any and all potential road hazards, including oil in the public road. Some Most of us consciously exceed that safe speed on a regular basis as a calculated risk. We know there probably isn't any oil in the next corner. But if there is, we are personally responsible for the outcome as we willingly assumed those risks.
That's how I see it anyway.
Don't get me wrong. I would still hold this ass-hat morally responsible. However I do not agree that he is legally responsible. And by absolutely no means do I find fault in the guy with the camera.
