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I have two race prepped EX500's I got from Clayton last year that he raced for a while. I'm going to sell one of them if interested. Also have a mint street EX 500 for sale too. Dont ask me how I ended up with 3 EX500's when I race middle weight bikes. Reason im selling 2 of them. If intersted in checking them out give me a call.
Uhh come again?:shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by SVRACER01
I was wrong about tires. I've got Pirelli Diablos on there
Oh yeah those will be more than fine as long as the sipes are good.Quote:
Originally Posted by number9
thats an estimate really. a set of take offs will last me all season (just TDs). when i was racing i put new tires on at the classic. that was it. ran them until the next classic. granted i only did 1 or 2 races a weekend (with the exception of the classic) and no practices. depending on how the front looked, sometimes just a rear, but usually both. i run them until the dots (TWI) are gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by csmutty
That is just plain awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by SVRACER01
There is a lot of debate between an SV650 for a first bike versus an I4 600. Do the reasons for picking an SV over an I4 (as a first bike) hold true for older I4 bikes (e.g. early 2000s), or is the SV still a better pick in terms of running costs, spares availability etc.?
I really want to start doing more track days but I'm not sure my VFR is the right thing to do them on.
You are less likely to highside an SV, and at least 5 other people will be on the same bike, same generation at every track day you go to. I dont think the difference in tire wear is significant until you start moving really fast.
What is the difference in hp? I had ASSumed it was maybe 20hp or so, but after looking up specs it looks like it's almost double that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petorius
Thanks for the note about tires.
The horsepower difference is big. 65-70 hp on the SV vs. 100+ on the 600's. Having gone through a similar progression with cars, I think of the SV as a Miata. It's underpowered, and until you figure it out, you'll be getting buzzed by every car(bike) out on the track that has twice the hp as you. But, if you use it to learn the limits, and figure out how to really go fast on it, you'll be able to be truly fast, as hp won't be covering your mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by number9
I started on the SV and ran a Miata for a while. Getting a point by from an M5 in the Miata, and passing my brother on his 848 Ducati were high points of both of my track careers.
-Jon
Depending on year an SV has about 65hp and a 90's 600 bike has around 90hp. A later model 600 will have more like 110hp. The 600 has all the power up top and as long as you keep it a gear or two too high you'll be less likely to high side on a 600 than an SV. Also unless you buy a track prepped SV, you have to do alot more mods to it to make it up to the same handling level as a semi modern(10-15 years old) 600. Good news is you can get a track prepped SV for less than a modernish 600. Until you get into the really fast guys at NHMS an SV can run about the same lap times as a 600. It's the faster acceleration and braking in the straights that gives the 600 a slight edge and that's also what some may say can get you into trouble, but keeping it a gear high will squash the power issue and it's nice to have good brakes when you need them. The SV has a huge following though so mods and advice are plentiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by number9
stock motor with air filter and exhaust:
06+ gsxr - 105-115hp
06+ r6 - 112-120hp
13+ 636 - 120-130hp
I adore my 2000 SV track toy. One of the best purchases I have ever made.
SV is an excellent choice for many reasons. I am sure many of them have been listed in this thread. If not, there are more in this thread too.
My advice would be to buy a gen 1 (99-02) with at least a few goodies pre-installed, if not a fully race prep'ed bike. In my experience, that is cheaper than building the bike yourself.
I bought an SV and made it from a street bike to a street/track bike to a track bike. I could have just bought one street and one track for the amount it has cost me so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by nhbubba
Haha, did this myself with a Ninja 650. I do like the Ninja. Only time I have come close to highside is in the rain. I can keep up with most 600's about halfway down the straight at Loudon, until they hit their powerband. All depends on how you get out of the corner. SV's have way more aftermarket and parts availability than the Ninja though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petorius
At what point do guys go with tire warmers? Are they needed more with lighter bikes (e.g. SVs) than heavier ones, or does it really depend on rider skill? Or are they just always better (if you can afford 'em)?
When you go racing and want hot tires going into T1.Quote:
Originally Posted by number9
Or if you're overly paranoid about cold tire crashes and/or are so impatient about going fast that you can't ride 75% for the first lap or two.
..or maybe if you have a really hard time figuring out what "75%" is.
Although I don't own warmers.
Thanks Oreo. So for "just" track days, not as necessary?Quote:
Originally Posted by OreoGaborio
Really, what is "necessary"? It's all YMMV.
Yeah, I realize that. I guess I was hoping to hear - or to avoid hearing - something like, "the first lap is deadly without them" or "they only make a difference if you have 190hp" or something. So, something more absolute. But no worries!Quote:
Originally Posted by nhbubba
First lap is not deadly without them. I think you and I already know that one.
First lap can be painful without them if you're dumb. Ask me how I know.
I've never had 190hp in a bike. So fucktifiknow.
I still don't own warmers. I think that's the last bit of real racing kit I need if I wanted to make a go of it. That and a bitchin' helmet fan.
Do you have a helmet fan?
There are people who run them at track days.
As Oreo said, take it easy the first lap and you'll be fine.
The control riders and coaches at the track days don't use warmers (at least mostly) for track day riding, but all of them that race (many of them) have them.
I believe them to be unnecessary for the average trackday rider (but I'm old, and slow).
No, but I'm a fan of helmets :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nhbubba
Does anyone race without warmers? Is the consensus that they are fuggin' nuts? Even that doode (Brady?) that rode in and raced his plated machine ran warmers, no?