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    Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    Pros/cons of each class? Let's hear if from the experienced folks...



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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    Middleweight is a brutal class ... the cost to race a MW machine is significantly higher. esp as you get quicker .. nevermind the cost to fix when you bin it

    that being said ... once you can tame the beast, it is an awesome feeling being able to spin up the rear exiting corners, while your try to harness the power. I wish I had started out with a LW, as it would have allowed me to focus more on racing, and developing that craft ... instead of just staying alive. (= Now that I have been able to figure out how to keep the bike on two wheels (for most part), the real fun as began. I wouldn't trade it

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    Deep pockets, BIG stones, F***ing fast! , screaming I4's, more wanabee (insert favorite I4 racer here) >>>> MW

    Budget minded, Medium stones (until sub 20's, then big stones), fast enough for most, thundering twins, wanabee (insert favorite V-twin racer here) >>>> LW or ULW

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    EX500, for when you're too broke or too big of a pussy to ride anything else.

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    My favorite was you going through T2 with your eyes closed.

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    LW = Cheaper & Fun as hell

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    Your GSXR750 = not MW by the way. (if that's what you were thinking)

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    Where would a F4i fall in????

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    Quote Originally Posted by Pigman View Post
    Where would a F4i fall in????
    A pit, covered with sticks and a light dusting of fluff, granite chunks, and spent oil to make you think it's part of the bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    A pit, covered with sticks and a light dusting of fluff, granite chunks, and spent oil to make you think it's part of the bowl.
    Great, thanks for the positive feedback app it..

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    I think an F4i could fall quite nicely in ALL the corners at Loudon...

    Most people who ask this question aren't really open to the lightweight thing.

    So good luck racing the F4i!

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    Bergs currently races an f4i up there. Ask BlackSquirrel, wookie and bergs how many corners it crashes in, and how hard it is to kill.

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    I think an F4i could fall quite nicely in ALL the corners at Loudon...

    Most people who ask this question aren't really open to the lightweight thing.

    So good luck racing the F4i!
    I remember when I was first starting out ... and I quote:
    "thats a nice pavement magnet you have there" -Paul

    I thought ... come on, what is he talking about ... many crashes later my first season, I knew ...

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    LW classes are also great for starting out because of the relatively small grid. I think the largest one I was in all year had 30 riders in the combined classes running in 2 waves.

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    To start, almost any bike will do, no matter which class you choose. Just make sure it is modern enough to accept modern tires and brake pads and is in excellent mechanical condition. An F4 is fine.

    BUT

    I recommend you leave the F4 at home and find a LW bike. I raced an MZ Scorpion and had a blast. I improved much faster than I would have if I had to deal with just staying alive in the MW classes. Once you have the racecraft figured out, then moving to the MW classes makes sense.

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    LW...just because.

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    Quote Originally Posted by Pigman View Post
    Where would a F4i fall in????
    I raced an F4 and F4i for years.

    eligible for:

    mw everything
    hw everything
    unlimited everything

    You can race 7 or 8 races a weekend if you like. less entries in the GTU and GTO plus GP and unlimited classes.

    You'll need to have some nice goodies to get it competitive in expert though.

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    Ahh thanks guys appreciate it...

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    I raced an F4 and F4i for years.

    eligible for:

    mw everything
    hw everything
    unlimited everything

    You can race 7 or 8 races a weekend if you like. less entries in the GTU and GTO plus GP and unlimited classes.

    You'll need to have some nice goodies to get it competitive in expert though.
    F4i's are very hard to Kill. and They are known for being the easiest bike to jump on and go fast. The only problem with them is when crashed they tend to Hydro-lock (oil fills the cylinders and locks up the motor) when they lay are there sides (or upside down) in my case. Easy fix Remove the plugs and hit the starter button, be careful oil shoots everywhere. I do think those crazy stunters have perfected a mod to stop the hydrolocking.(google)

    I raced and Crashed one for a season and Am glad to help with any questions you may have (Degsy taught me lot about these bikes as well)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLACK SQUIRREL 441 View Post
    F4i's are very hard to Kill. and They are known for being the easiest bike to jump on and go fast. The only problem with them is when crashed they tend to Hydro-lock (oil fills the cylinders and locks up the motor) when they lay are there sides (or upside down) in my case. Easy fix Remove the plugs and hit the starter button, be careful oil shoots everywhere. I do think those crazy stunters have perfected a mod to stop the hydrolocking.(google)

    I raced and Crashed one for a season and Am glad to help with any questions you may have (Degsy taught me lot about these bikes as well)


    Great.....well I am picking up a 02 F4i MINT for 4k going to use her for the track and some street. See where it takes me..

    thanks

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    ULSB FTW!!

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    I couldn't care less about racing an F4I... Gimme my thread back!


    It's a 600 VS. Sv toss up right now...


    And after the first few posts, it's leaning towards Sv...


    But I'm still undecided.






    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Kurtz View Post
    Your GSXR750 = not MW by the way. (if that's what you were thinking)
    Not at all what I'm thinking...

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    Noel: BUY THE SV Jesus Christ mang!!!

    Or, grow a pair and race an 848, you know you love it.

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    SV, Cheaper, TORQUE, the next Ptwins machine.

    MW... They don't call it the "meat grinder" for nothing. Every next Moto GP star "wanna be" starts there with the "pavement magnets" and the want to "get chicks" attitude.

    My personal opinion is the SV would be a better choice. I might be talked into getting on a 600 now that I have a little race experience (VERY little) but when I started there was no way you were getting me in that class! Those guys are NUTZ!

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    Re: Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

    , Get an SV and you feel the need to go faster get a 600 (Race SV's Hold their Value Very well) I would suggest a first Gen SV with Penske shock/ emulators up front. Pipe and jetting, (Just ask OX he is fast as crap on that set-up). 600 are fun but you really have to see god to be close to the front. I have observed that Alot of good riders are Fast Right from the get-go are The SV's and are racing. It Takes a little more track time to be be in the front of middleweight classes. and learning on a 600 is a Very expensive and Painful, I have crashed my SV a few times at speed and All I ever had to do was get the triples straightened and Have the little fork tubes replaced, the front does a good job of taking the impact.

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    I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.

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