Questions/Comments about 2007 LRRS Fuel Rules

[smf]

give the "Chads" of LRRS incentive to finally bump

[Pittenger5]

I think I get it, ok, I dont, but Ill do what they tell me since Im a rookie. If I take a gallon of 93 pump and put it in my race bike to make sure everythings running right, can I mix it with whatever stuff we have to buy at the track for the first race weekend? I assume it will be flushed out by the second weekend but Id rather doublecheck before I get suspended my first time out.

[s a x m a n]

I think I get it, ok, I dont, but Ill do what they tell me since Im a rookie. If I take a gallon of 93 pump and put it in my race bike to make sure everythings running right, can I mix it with whatever stuff we have to buy at the track for the first race weekend? I assume it will be flushed out by the second weekend but Id rather doublecheck before I get suspended my first time out.

drain your tank and let it air out to be safe

I'm going to VIR in a couple weeks and will be running pump gas, then i'm doing a track day the week of race week, also on pump gas. After that I will drain my fuel system and let it air out so that there is no question when I put the spec fuel in, it will pass if tested.

[KB]

You're going to drink it. If you fart it's oxygenated. If you just die, it's legal.

I drank it last year and I did not like it!!

KB

[Awesome]

That was U4. Totally different taste.

[Supah Dave]

C-12 doesn't taste so bad when mixed with a little tequila and a splash of ginger ale. It's actually rather refreshing and gets you real fucked up.

[OreoGaborio]

regular pump gas makes your mouth tingle for hours.

[gmdboston]

C-12 doesn't taste so bad when mixed with a little tequila and a splash of ginger ale. It's actually rather refreshing and gets you real fucked up.

just don't smoke......

[SVRACER01]

Drain the tank you lazy bastard. contingency will be available for all classes of bikes, not every class, but every rider will have ample opportunity to win some of the countless millions that VP is now raping from the racers.


Hey didn't I tell you to shut up?????

im too lazy to remove the tank to do it.
well i hope i get a chance since LRRS only offers me 2 races on sunday

[Supah Dave]

just don't smoke......

Who in their right mind would try to smoke C-12, Pete? C-12 is for sippin'...

[Doc]

And in case you're wondering who gets the money, it's ME, I get all the money, millions.......in fact I'll make so much money off this fuel deal, I had to set up several off shore companies for tax shelters. I even just closed a deal to buy a small South American country, and half the Virgin Islands.

Seriously, the track will not make a dime, in fact they can no longer sell the Sunoco gas at the pumps so they lost that income. VP is selling the MS 93 at so close to cost the only way to make this work for them is have every one buy the gas directly from them. That's why if you buy it from a dealer you will not be eligible for contingency, and you will pay much more.

This new spec fuel rule is a work in progress, that's why we don't all the answers to all the questions. While any constructive questions and comments are welcome, accusations of pay offs, and incompetence are completely uncalled for. I have about 20 hrs of phone calls and internet baby sitting into this, and I'm not in any way compensated for it. Neither is Eric or Jerry. We do this because we want to help a sport we love. So her some advise:

1) Realize that the fuel rule is happening because it has to. For several reasons, not all of them public.

2) If an extra $5-$15 dollars per week end is that much of a burden, you have no business being at a racetrack in the first place. If you're that close to the edge financially, you need to get a second job, not go racing.

3) Contingency payouts will be fair and equitable.

4) Distribution is being worked out. We are all aware of the challenge facing VP. I calculated that 22.5 man hours are required to complete 450 transactions at 3 minutes each. VP knows this and is planning accordingly.

5) If you think for a moment that we are fumbling around in the dark pulling ideas out of thin air you are sadly mistaken. Plans were formulated and analyzed before being announced. Since then some things regarding what fuels would available have changed and so has the plan. It's a work in progress, so be prepared for some adjustments as we go.

6) If some of guys would put as much effort into emailing your congressmen and representatives, we could government waste in half.

As soon as I have the contingency schedule and any more info I will post it.

He also said something about VIRGINS! Now he is getting greedy! All the money and VIRGINS! C'mon Pete spread the wealth!

[SVRACER01]

VP better have smaller stickers tis year. those big ones are heinous

[Honclfibr]

Yep, VP will be getting their marketing dollars out of this deal. I can't wait to tell all my friends about the wonders of VP fuels. VP? Oh yeah, it's like pump gas, only more expensive and with less selection. You can't lose!

I guess I don't really care since I barely use 5 gallons of gas on a race weekend, I'm just annoyed that it seems like so much time and energy is being spent on an issue that I don't remember *anyone* caring about, rather than say, oh, I don't know, improving track quality and safety? Maybe when I've got more experience I'll understand that plastic shelled helmets and toxic race gas are the real threats facing LRRS rather than a lack of runoff and giant concrete barriers/tire walls.

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OH SNAP!

[Supah Dave]

...plastic shelled helmets and toxic race gas are the real threats facing LRRS rather than a lack of runoff and giant concrete barriers/tire walls.

Now that's how you complain!
I have to give you credit because you back up your complaint by stating a much more important issues that need to be handled (just ask Miguel Duhamel) rather than just whining about the potential of having to wait in line for fuel. Some people around here could take a lesson from you...

[a13x]

Hopefully millions in VP kickback and pay for the changes to the track.

[WebCrush]

LRRS==NHIS

Not different entities.

Same owners, etc

[Kip]

Looks like I'm going to make money on this deal. I plan to WIN all 6 races I do totaling $150 and since 10 gallons should be enough I will walk away with $117 each weekend.

Did anyone ask VP if they are only allowing 1 win per weekend per rider? That is what they did in the past.

[smf]

C-12 doesn't taste so bad when mixed with a little tequila and a splash of ginger ale. It's actually rather refreshing and gets you real fucked up.

add tequila and ginger ale to anything and it'll taste good

[Supah Dave]

Shhhh, don't give away my secret...

[smf]

Shhhh, don't give away my secret...

your secret?? it's FL's secrect. hell it's how i made the whores in bikinis taste good in boca man!!!!

[Collision pro]

Looks like I'm going to make money on this deal. I plan to WIN all 6 races I do totaling $150 and since 10 gallons should be enough I will walk away with $117 each weekend.

Did anyone ask VP if they are only allowing 1 win per weekend per rider? That is what they did in the past.

Your not going to win, your on a stock 600!!!

I almost agree with Adam on this rule...As much as it hurts for me to say it! I just had a baby boy today so I'm feeling good , so what the hell!!!

Why not just make everyone run pump gas??

[Supah Dave]

What can't you guys comprehend about the damn rule? Additives and even the really nasty gas could be mixed into pump gas and not be detected because pump gas is oxygenated. It would be impossible to enforce the rule if the rule stated everyone must run pump gas. That's why VP made MS93 non-oxygenated. Non-oxygenated fuels make it easy to detect additives.

[TheIglu]

I think it's with the actual testing of the fuel. What they are saying is that due to the oxygen in pump gas and race gas, it is very difficult to tell what is added to the mixture.

My question is this:

Does oxygenation create more horsepower due to a denser, more combustible charge in the combustion chamber? If so, then won't running non-oxygenated gas give less power in most instances than oxygenated gas? (assuming all other things are non-variables)

If so, I better get in shape. Pushing my EX up the bowl is gunna get real tiring....

I think it's a fair question....not a complaint. If everyone is down on HP a little, then it does not really matter since we're all getting a fair shake. Just contemplating.

[Supah Dave]

Oxygenation just leads to a lower combustion temperature, a lower exhaust velocity, a "cleaner" burn and a lighter fuel tank. C-12 (non-oxygenated) will make more power than MS101 (oxygenated). It's all dependent on the make-up of the fuel, not whether it's oxygenated or not. Oxygenates (such as ethanol or methanol) actually contain less energy than conventional gasoline. The MS93 may actually produce a little more HP and slightly better fuel economy (2-3&#37 than premium pump gas due to the fact that it doesn't contain any oxygenate (ethanol) like the gas at your local gas station. So, no, MS93 isn't just Shell or Mobil 93 in a 55 gal drum with a VP sticker stuck on the side...