Can you teach fast?

[Alvecchio]

I'm sure for the sake of discussion that were omitting the obvious fact that you need money. Rossi would probably be an unknown name if all he could afford was a trikey when he was younger.

That would actually be a very interesting research project. Finding out who's gone the fastest for the cheapest. You'd need some sort of sliding scale to weigh it out. Still an interesting thought.

[Turbocharged]

Agreed, but genes play a large part in determining wheter a person has that "natural mental ability".
I'm also starting to agree that money does play a part. If I lose my job I'm going to be going pretty slow next year. Like 0 mph.

I think that for the purpose of this discussion we should ignore financial status.
Just because someone can't afford to race, doesn't mean they are not capable of going fast.
If you lost your job, would you suddenly be incapable of riding fast? I doubt it.
I have no job, and am a college student, does that make me slow? I'd like to think not.

[BrianC]

Just because someone can't afford to race, doesn't mean they are not capable of going fast.
I have no job, and am a college student, does that make me slow? I'd like to think not.

[eboos]

I'm sure for the sake of discussion that were omitting the obvious fact that you need money. Rossi would probably be an unknown name if all he could afford was a trikey when he was younger.

That would actually be a very interesting research project. Finding out who's gone the fastest for the cheapest. You'd need some sort of sliding scale to weigh it out. Still an interesting thought.

Opportunity is what you are talking about. Money can bring opportunity, but money alone won't solve all problems. The ability to seek, create and recognize opportunity is key to success in anything.

[TheIglu]

That would actually be a very interesting research project. Finding out who's gone the fastest for the cheapest. You'd need some sort of sliding scale to weigh it out. Still an interesting thought.

$800, 1:24.1.

I'M THE CHAMPION OF THE WORLD!

[Doc]

I think that for the purpose of this discussion we should ignore financial status.
Just because someone can't afford to race, doesn't mean they are not capable of going fast.
If you lost your job, would you suddenly be incapable of riding fast? I doubt it.
I have no job, and am a college student, does that make me slow? I'd like to think not.

I am sure we can get you to the track and see just how fast you are.

[Turbocharged]

I am sure we can get you to the track and see just how fast you are.

I'm hoping to make it at least once next summer. Gotta find a job, and find time. I'll be taking summer classes too, so my schedule will be a nightmare.
I certainly don't think I'm even as fast as a lot of the people here, but I don't think I'm the slowest either (or at least I hope not lol).

[OreoGaborio]

$800, 1:24.1.

I'M THE CHAMPION OF THE WORLD!

'06 & '07 NV & AM PTwins for the win!

I only got mine to a 24.8 and I spent twice as much. H8 CHOO!

[Alvecchio]

$800, 1:24.1.

I'M THE CHAMPION OF THE WORLD!

WINNAR!!

In regards to the opportunity comment; totally. You can't purchase a fast bike and be fast. Or sticky tires an push em. I used to see this all the time in paintball. Kid would get a 1400 dollar gun and all the coolest supporting gear and would still suck ass. Then, of course, their gun doesn't shoot straight enough or it kicks too much or the paint is out of round. The bike could stretch the total capability of man and machine combines but not compensate for the rider error...unless it's a S1000rr. That thing is silly. Haha.

[Chippertheripper]

$800, 1:24.1.

I'M THE CHAMPION OF THE WORLD!

Close this thread.

[darkduc7]

i fuckin know im fast. i feel it in my bones. fuckin natural.

chuck norris doesnt do push ups, he pushes the world down.

[G21forme]

WINNAR!!

In regards to the opportunity comment; totally. You can't purchase a fast bike and be fast. Or sticky tires an push em. I used to see this all the time in paintball. Kid would get a 1400 dollar gun and all the coolest supporting gear and would still suck ass. Then, of course, their gun doesn't shoot straight enough or it kicks too much or the paint is out of round. The bike could stretch the total capability of man and machine combines but not compensate for the rider error...unless it's a S1000rr. That thing is silly. Haha.

I think it's a riot to see people buy all this crap for their bike because that's what "racers" have and they think they'll be faster. Did a trackday with a guy on a Fiat R1 with matching leathers running warmers in the novice group. Oh and I passed a s1000rr in T1 and have been passed by clayton on his 800$ bike, 99%rider 1% bike imho.

[TheIglu]

I think it's a riot to see people buy all this crap for their bike because that's what "racers" have and they think they'll be faster. Did a trackday with a guy on a Fiat R1 with matching leathers running warmers in the novice group. Oh and I passed a s1000rr in T1 and have been passed by clayton on his 800$ bike, 99%rider 1% bike imho.

And I passed a S1000rr into 11 while he was passing another bike. He was on the brakes, I was on the brake.

I'm slower than dog shit these days, but there are some guy out there that just seem to be able to go fast with ease. They do all the right things all the time and it just comes together for them. Others have to work at it.

I hit that 1:24.1 on my second race weekend ever on 3 year old spent race tires, stock suspension and stock brakes on a tired EX500. After upgrading the suspension, brakes and tires, I only managed to hit that time again once. Reasoning? My mind telling me I needed to slow it down if I wanted to keep riding on the track. Took me a year to figure that out, then it was time to hang it up and enjoy trackdays instead.

I see people like Oreo who have really made themselves into fast skilled racers and I think "Man, I was having the best battles with him back in the day, I wonder if I would be at his level now had I chosen to continue pushing?". But for me, in my life, in my situation, I made the right choice. Less glory, less thrill, but I wouldn't change it for anything. I enjoy track riding more now than at any other time in my life. It IS more boring, but I'm in a much better position now to fine tune certain corners, really know what the fast guys are talking about (even though I may not be able to produce the numbers they do), join in conversations about helping new people ride well on the track, etc. Plus riding this shitbox around people on much much faster bikes is just too much fun to give up

[Doc]

I'm hoping to make it at least once next summer. Gotta find a job, and find time. I'll be taking summer classes too, so my schedule will be a nightmare.
I certainly don't think I'm even as fast as a lot of the people here, but I don't think I'm the slowest either (or at least I hope not lol).

Fast is not important. Ride your own ride my friend.

[Doc]

i fuckin know im fast. i feel it in my bones. fuckin natural.

chuck norris doesnt do push ups, he pushes the world down.

When are you going to show it?

[butcher bergs]

Clayton almost passed me once.....almost.

Good thing I had that straightaway and 1000cc's to make up for it.

[Alvecchio]

I haven't been at the track that much but the trend seems to be dudes with lots of money walk into a dealership, have a salesguy say "this here is the ultimate streetbike!", and leave with a s1000rr or 1198 that'll end up sideways or as a pace bike for red group riders. Coughdudeonthe1098attonysthatwouldntletmebyCough!

[Paul_E_D]

That's definitely not the trend at our days. Besides, if you can't get by... you can't get by. Says nothing about the other guy.

[BSR6]

Good teachers can help us identify our capabilities, but cannot change how fundementally capable we are.

On my first track day when I was told the basics of cornering, one of the things I remember thinking was stay on the pegs and off the bars. I THOUGHT I knew what this meant. Initially I was putting a little pressure on the pegs and trying not to lean on the bars too much (but still grabbing them tightly). Then it started raining and the track was soaked, meanwhile I got bumped to the intermediate group and it was my first time out with them. I felt like I couldn't keep up. If I started to increase my speed even slightly the bike would start to slide in a way that I would compare to the feeling you get when going really fast on a roller skate. In several places the tires actually slipped out a bit, scaring the absolute shit out of me. But how was everyone else going so fast? I was scared shitless.

It was then that I realized that I was dead wrong about what I THOUGHT my instructor meant. Stay on the pegs pretty much means stand up but not quite, and stay off the bars means as little input as possible, as in almost letting go of them but not quite once you are in the turn. I then started squatting over the seat, leaving just enough pressure on my ass to keep me still while using my knee to hold me in place, and almost let go of the bars after I set the bike into the turn. The difference was night and day and keeping up was no longer a problem.

A truly talented person might not have needed that session in the rain, hell they may not even need an instructor to tell them. Their sheer talent may lead them to understand this technique simply by riding the bike and noticing how it feels. On the other hand, someone with zero talent might never be able to understand those concepts regardless of how well it is explained to them.

A good instructor can help us in areas we struggle by explaining them in a way that is easier to understand, but in the end its our own talent that leads to us figuring it out. More talented people figure things out faster with less assitance. They can also understand things at a level that most of us never will.

[TheIglu]

Clayton almost passed me once.....almost.

Good thing I had that straightaway and 1000cc's to make up for it.

You're lucky I wasn't riding flat-out. I typically ride flat-out. That's just how I ride. Flat-out.

[Chippertheripper]

That's definitely not the trend at our days. Besides, if you can't get by... you can't get by. Says nothing about the other guy.

Really?! You guys never get the noob with the fastest this and that, and the nicest gear and nic-nac paddywhacks that bins it in the first or second session? Or maybe even signs up for the pro school and bins it during that too? Or the dude with the carbon everything that puts his scoot in the gravel? Surely you've heard of these cats that'll motor right by the dude on the (slow bike) that'll hold everyone up in the first corner he comes to, only to motor on again.
(don't take this personally, these dudes exist at all events)

[OreoGaborio]

Eh.. we get them to some degree, but I wouldn't categorize them as the super crazy big-headed types that blow tons of money and still think they're the fastest guy on the track.

We get guys on some CRAZY bikes that like to "use all the power" but for the most part they keep it on two and know they're not the fastest guys out there.

I like to think that when we DO get one of "those guys" that we do a pretty good job of identifying and addressing the situation early to mitigate the effects on themselves, their bikes and other riders.

[Chippertheripper]

Good on yaz. I like the idea of that kind of preemptivity. (if that's a word)

[Alvecchio]

That's definitely not the trend at our days. Besides, if you can't get by... you can't get by. Says nothing about the other guy.

When the only passing zoned are the straights(red group rider), yea, it's not my fault. My little er6n isn't getting past a 1098 on the straights. I didn't necessarily mean that there are a lot of those people at the track. I more meant just people in the dealer.

[Alvecchio]

Eh.. we get them to some degree, but I wouldn't categorize them as the super crazy big-headed types that blow tons of money and still think they're the fastest guy on the track.

We get guys on some CRAZY bikes that like to "use all the power" but for the most part they keep it on two and know they're not the fastest guys out there.

I like to think that when we DO get one of "those guys" that we do a pretty good job of identifying and addressing the situation early to mitigate the effects on themselves, their bikes and other riders.

No doubt Tonys does a great job maintaining a fun and controlled day. I just got frustrated being in that situation by 3 separate people. One of which was downright dangerous. I brought said dangerous rider to dans attention and he did speak to said rider. Overall I was very pleased. I will be back next season as much as I can afford. :-)