I don't think a NV deserves that anyway. they should just get a picture of it that says "Congratulations you'll get the real thing when you bump up, keep up the good work"Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
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I don't think a NV deserves that anyway. they should just get a picture of it that says "Congratulations you'll get the real thing when you bump up, keep up the good work"Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
That is for CCS to decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by OreoGaborio
As it has been touted as the class for people to dip their toes into racing I don't think I'm capable of understanding what LRRS NV is for because, of the people I have come to know in the community over the years, the decision of whether someone wanted to go racing or not was made after doing a trackday or a few. That said, as far as I can tell from past topics and conversations, most of the experienced riders on this forum seem to generally prefer a person particiapte in some trackdays prior to setting foot in a racing situation.
um. no. it is not fair because in the NV class there are people required to 'race up' a class, say the ex500 racing in ultralight. so you're all fighting for your precious trophies and talking about fairness but ignoring them. I'm just pointing out the rather large hole in your argument. if what you want is fairness they should be given awards based on their times relative to the corresponding expert class. you (who won a race on competitive machinery for the class) can be awarded in the same way. and maybe it's fair for everyone... but getting on a soap-box and ignoring that case is hypocritical.Quote:
Originally Posted by CBR929RE
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Originally Posted by Doc
Actually, I waited one week AFTER the new rulebook was released to make the request, since under the old rules, I was not eligible due to a 10-race minimum. When the new rulebook came out, I realized I was eligible, so I made the request.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurlon
Not technically beat HIM. I beat his LAP TIMES, as we were in different races altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustang
True that! What about Jake, riding on an RS125 and making 2 2nd place finishes against SVs.Quote:
Originally Posted by OreoGaborio
Thanks for the clarification Chuck – guess I didn’t read his post closely enough. Didn’t sound right to me, but I know you were picking off some of the 1st wave in either SB or GP last month…Quote:
Originally Posted by 07BladeRider
We were actually the 1st wave in all 3 races that I did. From what I was told, every race only ran as a single wave, even though the grid sheets had some as 2 waves. Jake nearly missed his start in LWGP, because he thought he was in wave 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustang
I completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodcraft
Recognizition in a new sport/environment always make a person feel better about what they just did. This produces great comradery and you get to know who is actually under all that gear. I got to meet a lot of people in congratulating them at the awards. To this day I still have great friendships with a lot of people that I will never forget.
As an Expert is is nice to put a name to a face/face to a name for who I need to look out for. I would like to see the sport grow. If a simple recognition make them want to come back an do it again or put the fire into someone to try and get ther name recognized. I am all for it.
What does it cost to but a name on a piece of paper and for someone to announce a name. Not much. That effort alone is worth a million bucks in that persons mind. That is what we need to foster. Those Novices are our future. We need to embrace them and shower them with our EX/AM love/support.
Like life. We have to mold, support and coddle all our children from the first Min of day1 all the way thru their teenage years (A little less) into adulthood.
Baby
Teenager
Adult
BTW Let me get this straignt!!!!!!! I am not calling Novices Babies.
I WANT TO HEAR AND SEE THE NOVICE WINNERS!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.lrrsracing.com/results/20...93006/Sun3.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Doc
Pay up :jackie:
Recognition is fine Gino and I agree with it. So how do the Proddy Twins guys get recognition?
quiet. we're only interested in fairness for people who win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
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Originally Posted by smf
Maybe they can all get a :cookie: :D
Go check the results for the three Novice Ultralightweight races. EX500's finished on the podium in all of em. Guess they're not competitive :poke:Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
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Originally Posted by OreoGaborio
Did the top 3? :poke:
................ huh?
I edited to clarify
1 201 NV Vader, JakeQuote:
Originally Posted by smf
35 35 1996 Honda RS125
2 525 NV Larlee, Coleman 01:28.377 30 30 1991 Kawasaki Ninja 500
3 880 NV Clark, Charles 01:30.933 26 26 2005 Suzuki SV650
4 697 NV Oeschger, Steven
23 23 1998 Kawasaki Ninja 500
5 131 NV Marsden, Michael 01:35.431 21 21 2005 Ducati 800SS
no my example was a hypothetical where we were both in the same race but ran the times actually did run.Quote:
Originally Posted by 07BladeRider
hmm a novice running 29s and 28s on one during a weekend where most people were running slower than normal. I think we might be onto something here Pete, oh yeah its called reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by OreoGaborio
1 525 NV Larlee, Coleman 01:29.462 35 35 1991 Kawasaki Ninja 500
2 697 NV Oeschger, Steven 01:33.536 30 30 1998 Kawasaki Ninja 500
3 131 NV Marsden, Michael 01:37.238 26 26 2005 Ducati 800SS
4 222 NV Hamilton-Miller, Lyall 01:42.857 23 23 2005 Yamaha WR/YZF 450
1 201 NV Vader, Jake 35 35 1996 Honda RS125Quote:
Originally Posted by OreoGaborio
2 525 NV Larlee, Coleman 01:28.377 30 30 1991 Kawasaki Ninja 500
3 880 NV Clark, Charles 01:30.933 26 26 2005 Suzuki SV650
4 697 NV Oeschger, Steven 23 23 1998 Kawasaki Ninja 500
Poor Steve didn't get a trophy because the SV beat him. :(
Another example of the wrong bike in a class. If this is ULW, the SV doesn't belong there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
And to correct my earlier statement, Jake Vader ran 2 races, one LW and the other ULW and he placed 2nd in LW and 1st in ULW.
So what's your point, Mike?
Charles, Coleman and Jake didn't get trophies either cuz "anywhere else they'd be a backmarker".
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by 07BladeRider
Tell me what bikes run in ULSB?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
Is it fair for a Stock Motored Hawk to run up against a Duc 800cc?
Is it fair for a Stock Motored Hawk to run up against a EX500?
How about a built Motard that has 10-15 more HP and weighs 100# less than a stock motored Hawk. DO I get and award for being the first non motard to cross the finish line.:mope:
Maybe there shoud be strictly a Hawk GTclass. Lets see, last race weekend. 1 Expert rider, 1 AM rider, 2 NV riders. :yawn: We would have all been in the top 2. All axcept of Andy who had an excursion in T8.
That is what I love about the ULSB class. There are is a whole gambet of bikes mixed together and anything can happen. I had a hell of time racing againse Ted on his Yellow EX last year. That guy can move on an EX and I was underpowered. Is it the bike or is it the rider?
Racining as I have always thought about it is 80%-90% Rider and 10%-20%-Bike.
I remember my Penguin experience. I was droping faster times that a couple of guys on R1's. Was it the man (Sorry women) or was it the machine?:beerbang:
so the problem is that the SV guy was riding down a class and shouldn't have been there. so the groupings are correct, just the enforcement of it wasn't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
well I stand corrected, and the sv/motard riders need to man-up a bit.
logically speaking the argument is sound but clearly the riders made the difference on this day. good for them. I sincerely hope that continues to be the case. unfortunately it doesn't change the fact that certain bikes are unfairly advantaged so giving trophies can be biased in NV in ways it isn't in AM/EX. of course, life indeed isn't fair so it all ties together now doesn't it.
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out of curiosity how many trackdays had you done prior to the basic school?Quote:
Originally Posted by nt650hawk
3 on the 929 1 on the Hawk. 1 track day a year for 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by smf
I see where you are going. The others had the same oppertunity I did. It still happens today. Those that go right into racing and those that do track days to improve their craft before they go racing. I see plenty of small LW/ULWB bikes picking on or getting held up by 1000's & 600's. If those EX500 People decided to race as a NV they would clean up ULSB. But they are just happy to do track days.:wink:
Hell, I remember Alex Dunstan beating up the MW NV when he was on the Hawk as a NV.:shredder: He was running 2nd until he had some mechanical.
completely agree, everyone chooses their own path (I went straight from 1 visit as pit-crew to penguin basic) and I actually wasn't going anywhere with it. I've heard numbers thrown around by others and never asked ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nt650hawk
Edit: I'm not sure you're allowed to mention Dunstan by name here anymore ;)
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oh man. now you're going to get the secret police after us all :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by OreoGaborio