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So I picked up with of these power commander things and I'm having some trouble loading the maps to my computer? I followed the instructions on the self starting CD but for some reason the maps did not load? I'm sure someone has messed with one of these before and can offer up some advise:D
Thanks
I think you have to import the map you want. I dont have mine in my computer right now,but it seems like I had the same issue.
OK I just installed it. after you installed the software you need to use the cd and click on "map database" select your model and it puts the map in your power commander directory
I did all that but I get a error saying no map found:dunno: I just tried to download the maps from their website and that didn't work either, maybe my computer is just a piece of shit and needs to be updated:dunno:
Unless the power commander itself has to be hooked up to the computer at the same time?
Thats just great now you broke my computer. I have no maps either :dunno:
ok try the web site yamaha maps
i hope youre not trying to map the new bike.. is there even a map for it yet?
You can get something closer than what they did at the factory. I put in one of the custom maps before I brought it in to have one made for my bike. Even the basic map is better then the factory setup.
I'm almost positive the PC3 has to be powered while you transfer maps. Most people bring their laptops out to the bike, turn the key on, then transfer maps.
I tried those maps, I can view them but they won't download for some reason:dunno:
I got the kit for the Raptor 700, not the R6
That's what I'm thinking as well at this point, the directions aren't very clear. It does say it can be programmed not being hooked to the bike though and it came with a 9 volt battery lead and says you can use that to power it up. I don't have a laptop and was planning on just taking it out and hooking it up to my computer to tune it, then put it back in the bike.Quote:
Originally posted by ZX-12R
I'm almost positive the PC3 has to be powered while you transfer maps. Most people bring their laptops out to the bike, turn the key on, then transfer maps.
Maybe i'll mess with it more after work tomorrow.
Thanks for the tips and help:)
I forgot about the 9V battery setup. That pretty much confirms you have to power it in order to program itl
I know the unit needs to be powered to program it, just the directions make it sound like you can download all the maps to your computer, and then program them to the PC3 as needed:hmm:
I didnt know you were trying to send it to the powercommander. it only takes a split second to send it to the unit. And yes you need to use the battery lead and a 9v battery to power it so it can get the map.
You can download as many as you want to your computer but the PCIII can only hold one map at a time.
The Yosh EMS box can hold 3 maps and you can switch them with a toggle switch on your handlebar!
I haven't tried anything with the power commander yet, all I did was install the program in my computer. I then tried to download all the maps to my computer as the directions saidQuote:
Originally posted by dhuze
I didnt know you were trying to send it to the powercommander. it only takes a split second to send it to the unit. And yes you need to use the battery lead and a 9v battery to power it so it can get the map.
Sounds like a Layer-8 issue.
Mar,
I have to watch my son this weekend so I will be around all day sunday. After you are done riding we can take a look at things if you want. I have used the PC softeware a bunch of times
give me a call if you want
401-623-0964
G-man
Thanks for the offer G:hellyeah:
We'll see how I feel after riding tomorrow:)
You should be able to down load as many maps as you want to your computer. Must be a problem there.(anti-virus program settings?)
I had problems loading to the PCIIIusb but it was just stupid me -- I didn't push the usb connecter in hard enough. I figured it would just easily slide in -- nope.
I got my PCIII and got my bike dyno'ed ...
It was a big effing waste of money ...
200 bucks for the PCIIIusb
300 bucks for the dyno runs
I gained a half pound of torque
I gained 2 full horsepower!
Big whoop de facking doo!
Suckered in by the marketing propaganda and lies department again!
Save your money ... unless you are doing cam work or major engine modifications, it ain't worth crap!
Maybe for the SV650 but there are a number of bikes that respond very well to a fuel system remap. Beside overall horse power, you need to look at the improvement of power at all RPMs. Most remaping fixes the stumble around 4K RPMs that most Japanese bikes have due to emissions requirements. In addition, most people who install a PC3 and have it dyno tuned also include a full exhaust and air filters.Quote:
Originally posted by Currently
Big whoop de facking doo!
Suckered in by the marketing propaganda and lies department again!
Save your money ... unless you are doing cam work or major engine modifications, it ain't worth crap!
What version of the Power commander do you have? I have the pcIIIr and I have no problem getting maps to it. The PC has to be on to program a map to it. If its a not a USB model and you want to get it here I can map it for you with what ever map you want. I cant do USB models because my laptop is a relic and the USB port isnt active on it.
However now that I think about it if you bring a serial to USB converter chances are I can map to it:)
If interested send me a pm ill toss you my number and we can set up a time.
I brought it the dealer and they installed the map for me, seeing I bought it there they said anytime I want to change the map, bring it in and they will hook it up. They don't have a laptop but they do have this crazy long USB cable and I don't even have to unload the bike from my truck.
Mine is the PCIII usb and it is not for a streetbike, it's for my quad. The EFI system isn't quite the same as a streetbike and from what I've read and been told, it's a closed loop system that doesn't self adjust, there is also no O2 sensor. The difference having the PC hooked up even stock with a stock map is huge on this thing. I just put on a slip-on and will be making a airbox mod so I will have to change the map again:)
To echo/add to what ZX-12R said: PC's aren't necessarily about HP. More so to smooth out the fuel injection 'glitches' that come from the factory to meet emisions. The older, earlier fuel injected bikes - my TL-R for instance - respond incredibly well to remapping. Not so much overall HP numbers, but it's removed all of those annoying stumbles mentioned...Quote:
Originally posted by Currently
I got my PCIII and got my bike dyno'ed ...
It was a big effing waste of money ...
200 bucks for the PCIIIusb
300 bucks for the dyno runs
I gained a half pound of torque
I gained 2 full horsepower!
Big whoop de facking doo!
Suckered in by the marketing propaganda and lies department again!
Save your money ... unless you are doing cam work or major engine modifications, it ain't worth crap!
with out the pc installed
i had 2 try it boy did i go home & hook it back up
pop & stall
I know that on some Suzuki's the bike has to be running to load a new map. Shut the bike down completely and reboot it. So maybe the same on Yam?
my bike ran like poop then died with the PCIII installed...i am hoping that the wrong map was the cause...I unhooked it and it's fine..
Quad = Open loopQuote:
Originally posted by R7
I brought it the dealer and they installed the map for me, seeing I bought it there they said anytime I want to change the map, bring it in and they will hook it up. They don't have a laptop but they do have this crazy long USB cable and I don't even have to unload the bike from my truck.
Mine is the PCIII usb and it is not for a streetbike, it's for my quad. The EFI system isn't quite the same as a streetbike and from what I've read and been told, it's a closed loop system that doesn't self adjust, there is also no O2 sensor. The difference having the PC hooked up even stock with a stock map is huge on this thing. I just put on a slip-on and will be making a airbox mod so I will have to change the map again:)
Most bikes = Open loop
Some bikes = Semi-closed loop - e.x. medium throttle at 4000-5000rpm "cruise"
Cars = 100% Closed loop
Glad it's workin out for you... the PC3 was the best thing I ever bought for my bike.
"Semi-Closed-Loop" with O2 sensors, etc respond best to the PC3 as these are the hackish solution to meeting EPA regs.
The new Triumphs are closed loop like a car and they are much better... really smooth while still meeting the tough regulations.
Sounds like the new R6 is probably closed loop too?
I doubt any fast revving engines have a completely closed loop system. The cpu is plenty fast enough to respond to changes, but I don't know of any O2 sensors fast enough to work in a closed loop system. If the engine is at cruising speed or under very light acceleration then it is possible but when you blast through first gear in 4-5 seconds, it is open loop all the way.Quote:
Originally posted by benVFR
Sounds like the new R6 is probably closed loop too?
Where did you get this info, are you guessing or do you have facts? I read some tech details saying the quad has a closed loop systemQuote:
Originally posted by benVFR
Quad = Open loop
Most bikes = Open loop
Some bikes = Semi-closed loop - e.x. medium throttle at 4000-5000rpm "cruise"
Cars = 100% Closed loop
I really doubt you have a closed loop.
A closed loop system has sensors all over the place.
You have the O2 sensor in the manifolds and exhausts.
Closed loop means that the computer requires feedback
in order to set the ignition and fuel parameters.
Open loop means that it has a predefined table and
when in a specific area of the table, it will do exactly what
is mapped there.
So check the owners manual and see if they have any
sensor maintenence scheduled in.
We are going to start seeing closed loop systems when
we have anti-pollution equipment on bikes and quads.
I think only the Beemer has closed loop right now ...
not sure but that is what is sticking in my head.