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Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash

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    Re: Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash


    Quote Originally Posted by xxaarraa View Post
    Paul, you and Kurtz may be pointing out something insightful that I have thought a lot about but never could articulate, something unrelated to my OP about crashing.

    For example, I have not been able to explain why my learning curve on some tracks is a lot shorter than some other tracks. e.g., I started running fairly decent times at Thompson and Loudon within 3-4 trackdays, but it took me a lot longer to gain ground at NYST. I run a good pace at NYST, but for how many times I have been there, I should be running a LOT faster. In fact, I find it disheartening to watch folks show up at NYST only their second or third time and run 5 seconds faster than me (cough cough ) and I couldn't explain it. I should know that track, I have only been there 50 times damn it!

    It could be that I ride NYST purely by feel and never really mapped out the track for myself. The other tracks where my learning curve was shorter, I had the benefit of doing a track walk with an expert who explained each corner and showed me the line and showed me what to look for.

    Which then brings me to how the hell do you do "cognitive mapping" without someone breaking the track down for you step by step? I can walk NYST anytime I want, but I personally can't relate to sight markers when I am not at pace. The tree I pick out while walking my dog either disappears or looks completely different or magically shifts its location when I am on my bike at pace. And when I am at pace, I don't have enough time to pick out sight markers.
    Loudon: TONS OF VISUAL MARKERS
    Thompson: About as simple as a track can get
    NYST: very few visual markers and very complex

    You need to really use your vision and start paying attention to the miniscule details that you never paid attention to before.

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    Re: Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash

    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    Completely agree.

    And the ultimate key is NOT RIDING BY FEEL! Reference points, reference points, reference points. Ride a FORMULA, not a feeling. Fucking go out there & hit your points.
    So you are telling me feelers are no good at riding? That's so cold Oreo.

    Well, it's a good thing I am an ESTJ in real life then. I go back and forth between ESTJ and ISTJ, but definitely not a feeler.

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    Re: Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash

    You can feel up your friends and you can feel up yourself, but don't feel up the track

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    Re: Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash

    I had a crash T3 Loudon. Red flag came out. I picked the bike up, got it started and made it back for the restart. Graham told me someone puked oil and i was the first one thru. Having faith in the corner workers addressing the issue i was even more determined to KICK SOME ASS! I crushed my PB of 1:19.5 October the previous season to a 1:17.1 the next season in April.

    Determination, drive and focus played a big factor in my result.

    Oh... and a hole in my exhaust producing a different exhaust note thinking it was Jurgen. It was not him . I was just racing myself.

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    Re: Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash

    So, after doing my first day at Canaan, yeah that's not a track you can do by feel alone, corners are too blind. I really should have done the school instead of racer practice.

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    Re: Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    So, after doing my first day at Canaan, yeah that's not a track you can do by feel alone, corners are too blind. I really should have done the school instead of racer practice.
    I don't have the skillz of Oreo or Paul and even I'll tell you that Canaan is not for feelers!

    There are at least 3 blinds and the one that dumps you on the straight is a lot of fun! Pick your marker, turn in straight at the guard rail and twist hard! If you did it right, the guard rail disappears.

    Yes track walk is very helpful at Canaan.


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    Re: Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash

    I'm fortunate in that I have a high crash to miles ratio.

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    Re: Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash

    Faster, faster, faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death

    I assume its a process, your fear full sub conscious has to be convinced that its ok
    Should take some time and maybe extra focus
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    Re: Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash

    You riding dirt yet or what?

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    Re: Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash

    If you hit your head hard enough you won't have any cobwebs to worry about. It's like the crash never happened!

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    Re: Shaking the cobwebs off after a crash

    Quote Originally Posted by Philkinson View Post
    If you hit your head hard enough you won't have any cobwebs to worry about. It's like the crash never happened!

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    I can vouch for this

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