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-Pete LRRS/CCS #81 - ECK Racing, TonysTrackDays
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Graham
"If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a committee — that will do them in"
Agreed... but I thnk Graham was speaking in terms of making sure your suspension is at the very least operating within normal tolerances.
One can argue that good tires still won't work very well if the bike is a po-go stick... but good suspension will still work well if the tires are rocks.
You can absolutely argue it either way... Personally, I feel that tires and suspension work as a system... They should both be #2
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-Pete LRRS/CCS #81 - ECK Racing, TonysTrackDays
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Does not have to be 'new" suspension......might be as easy as geometry and or springrate/sag /compression/rebound adjusted. 90% of new track day riders just need the suspenion tweeked....as you get faster...suspenion is still just ahead of tires.....Great tires can't compensate for poor suspension
Graham
"If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a committee — that will do them in"
Focused on a V-Strom but most of it is the same for other bikes. Probably answers most of your questions.
Preparing a DL650 for a track day.
I recently rocked a 20 year old bike with 20 year oil suspension and oil with 7 year old Avons. You want to talk about po-go. It made me a better rider by the bike telling me (Po-go) of what I should and SHOULD NOT be doing.
For me the loose suspension is/was a great learing tool. I did not, could not rely on a good/decent suspension being able to swallow up my faults/quirks. Pure rawness. Just the rider, the bike and his thoughts. LOVE IT.
Kind of like the EX eh Pete. lol
We all should experience a sloppy bike once you have some skills to recognize the feel of what the bike is telling you. It is a reall eye opener.
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Haha. Indeed!
But on the flip side, you gotta be careful with that... cuz riding a bike with sub-par set-up for TOO long will only teach you how to ride a poorly set-up bike. Jump on a properly set-up bike and you'll have to re-learn a lot of things.
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If you run into a wall with a helmet on, you still ran into a wall.
(I'm waiting to find out if I can make it up on Friday before I ship it out... and I still gotta dig up those emulators.)
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If you run into a wall with a helmet on, you still ran into a wall.
Most Track Day organizations, including BOMO, will have a couple guys that help you set your sag and then point you in the right direction for the compression and rebound as well. Getting it started is critical. Getting it completely dialed in takes time...and experience!
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I'm an idiot, I was thinking about new suspension, good point guys.
don't want your wife to yell at you, don't ask any more questions. That way every little extra expense is a surprise to you as well.
I'm still told by fast people I should get a quickshifter and slipper clutch but I still like doing it myself.
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While they help, they're far from necessary.
I have a quckshifter on my bike and I saw virtually no immediate difference in lap times after I added it, which I attribute to the fact that Loudon requires so few upshifts per lap... But that's not to say it doesn't make shifting easier. It does.
I also use my left fingers as a slipper clutch, but have ridden bikes with true slippers and again, I don't see it really making much of a difference in lap times... But again, that's not to say it doesn't make shifting easier. It does.
There's something to be said for making things easier, but that's not to say they will make you a faster or better rider.
Again, it all comes back to priorities.
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Yeah. On motards, my impression from what I've seen/heard around the paddock, is that it certainly does go a long way to help with engine and crank preservation.
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Never having ridden a bike with a quickshifter when you use a quickshifter you hold the throttle open, the pressure on the shift linkage cuts spark or retards timing for a split second and then the bike is in the higher gear and you're WFO again. If that is correct is the shift more aggressive, for example on a high powered bike could it be more of a challenge to keep straight, kind of like dumping the clutch at power or is it smooth?
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It's pretty smooth. Some would say it's smoother than a manual clutchless upshift. There's no smooth roll off/roll on, but because it's so quick and you're not changing your throttle position, it's pretty smooth.
If it makes you feel any better, I grab a wide open upshift at the granstands coming out of T6 and I'm almost on my knee.
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