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    I am not an expert by any means but could taste the difference between absolut and popov

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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    Quote Originally Posted by AEG View Post
    I am not an expert by any means but could taste the difference between absolut and popov
    For sure.
    Try a shot of absolutfollowed by Belvedere. Follow that with Stoli Elit. After that hold on to your wallet!

    Another point - drink a bottle of Belv over the course of an evening. See how you feel in the AM.
    Then do the same with orloff or popov, etc.

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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    But to the thread topic: I think the behavior and the perception of millennial is largely geographic. In the cities I think more of the current stereotypes ring true, in more rural areas its business as usual. We have a fresh crop of them in the office ranging from 19 to early 30's. All great people and ALL ride something gas powered (sled, bike, atv).

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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    Quote Originally Posted by BSR6 View Post
    Do you know any Harley owners that don't ride? Every Harley owner I know rides quite a bit actually. The choice of motorcycle may be rooted in vanity, but they still enjoy riding so I think it's fair to say there is a genuine element there. Yes, there are many who buy bikes to pose but this isn't necessarily the norm. It just appears that way because it's a more visible trend.
    According to HD's own research, the average owner rides 1,100 miles a year.

    From doing an analysis of used bikes on CL, New England riders average about 2,200 per year. And that's with a 4-6 month season for most.

    The sales manual that got released to the intarwebz a few years ago lays out their strategy.

    So you’re a salesmen tasked with selling someone a product they don’t need, that they can’t afford, that isn’t competitive with rivals, that isn’t new and won’t make buyers stand out or demonstrate unique taste. How the hell do you do that? Don’t worry, the official Harley-Davidson test ride manual is here to help.




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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    According to HD's own research, the average owner rides 1,100 miles a year.

    From doing an analysis of used bikes on CL, New England riders average about 2,200 per year. And that's with a 4-6 month season for most.

    The sales manual that got released to the intarwebz a few years ago lays out their strategy.


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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    The "millennial" generation got to jump into the workforce during a terrible recession. Wages are stagnant all over, companies are not paying. Housing has gone through the roof anywhere there is decent pay. All these factors don't add up to disposable income situations that can be applied to what is, overall, a very expensive sport. Most have given up on even owning houses much less motorcycles. Other part of it is their priorities are so different, too busy buying up artisanal organic locally made goods.

    Does this really impact the moto industry that much? Take a look at the past 15 years and look at how exciting the market is still. There is a model to cover every use, and crossover for every use as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriskyDingo View Post
    OOOOoooooo, you are gonna get a rebutal in 5,4,3,2.........
    Hah. How do you rebuttal a dad joke?

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    I think that not only the motorcycle industry but car industry will have to go trough a deep transformation. This new generation don't want to have things, they want to have experiences. The car sharing services are growing everywhere.

    I believe that motorcycle industry is very successful selling motorcycle riding as an experience, but fails addressing commercially the issue. hard time to park the bike, do the maintenance, store the bike for several months in the colder areas: these are things the millenniums just don't want to care about. Other issue is pollution and heavy traffic in bigger cities. This is another issue that the motorcycle industry has all the tools to explore, but for some reason, they don't. I mean, why buy a 30 grant Prius to drive yourself to work everyday to save the word, if you can do a lot better on a 4K small displacement scooter? I don't see the motorcycle industry exploring it commercially and work with government to use motorcycle as a solution to big cities traffic problem. You can easily park 4 bikes where you park one car. And the big displacement motorcycles should start to be provided as services. You pay like a membership and grab any bike available when you want to ride. No maintenance, no storage, no buy, sell, register. And when this millenniums turn 40s they will certainly feel the itch to buy their own bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Tell me there aren't Duc riders that spend more time gazing at their bikes then riding them.
    Not nice of you to call me out like that. No special invite for you on our next ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Vodka is shit.

    Gin is where it's at. Farmers is the best I've had followed up by Hendricks.
    Try Barr Hill Tomcat Reserve if you haven't yet. It's a 19th-century-style oaked gin, the color of pale whiskey. So good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fpcore View Post
    the big displacement motorcycles should start to be provided as services. You pay like a membership and grab any bike available when you want to ride. No maintenance, no storage, no buy, sell, register. And when this millenniums turn 40s they will certainly feel the itch to buy their own bikes.
    Am "millennial," can confirm, this would be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AEG View Post
    I am not an expert by any means but could taste the difference between absolut and popov
    Two different grades of vodka with a large quality gap in between. So yes, you should be able to tell the difference.

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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    On my wife's side of the family there's a ton of millennials. I've noticed the following traits with them in relation to finances and vehicles:

    1) Are not financially stable at all when compared to older generations when they were at their age. If you don't have disposable income, you consume less.... You cut out the non necessities.
    2) Most of them don't own any vehicles. They rely on public transportation or Uber/Lyft. They view vehicles as a money pit. One of my sister in-laws just had her car totaled. Instead of buying a new car she decided the T and Uber/Lyft was sufficient for her needs.
    3) General lack of interest with the millennials in my family. I got a good 12 millennials in my family. Not a single one of them is interested in cars or motorcycles. They generally view them as unnecessary expenses.

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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    So what the fuck do they spend their money on? Or are they just making less, and working out an existence on the bare necessities?
    I'm way the fuck out of touch.

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    Yes and yes, generally speaking.

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    God, how depressing.

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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    I see that life in general has gotten more virtual, across all generations. The M's have just started in a more virtual place than the rest of us. I see it with my family and friends, more time on the computer and being entertained in that manner.

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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    We were all way better off before computers. Period. We'd still be better off if a magnetic flux rebooted shit back to starting over with cards and tape

    Convenience, better health care, entertainment, blablabla, once upon a time you could actually meet someone in person and have discussions with strangers in public. Now if you try, chances are it'll all be measured with an egg timer, lest you further interrupt their facey space ego time...

    Reality don't need no virtual.

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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    So what the fuck do they spend their money on? Or are they just making less, and working out an existence on the bare necessities?
    I'm way the fuck out of touch.
    It's a combination of things from what i'm seeing with them...

    1) Graduated college with 40-80k of Debt (varies per college)
    2) Entered the workforce at the worst time possible (the recent recession we had)
    3) Got low paying jobs out of college. Lot of them struggled for a couple years out of college because there were no decent jobs due to recession.
    4) Low paying job + 40-80k of debt + the cost of living in New England = Just barely makes enough to get by.
    5) No disposable income.

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    grumpy old geezers

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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Imbeek View Post
    We were all way better off before computers. Period. We'd still be better off if a magnetic flux rebooted shit back to starting over with cards and tape

    Convenience, better health care, entertainment, blablabla, once upon a time you could actually meet someone in person and have discussions with strangers in public. Now if you try, chances are it'll all be measured with an egg timer, lest you further interrupt their facey space ego time...

    Reality don't need no virtual.
    Golden age fallacy.

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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Imbeek View Post
    We were all way better off before computers. Period. We'd still be better off if a magnetic flux rebooted shit back to starting over with cards and tape

    Convenience, better health care, entertainment, blablabla, once upon a time you could actually meet someone in person and have discussions with strangers in public. Now if you try, chances are it'll all be measured with an egg timer, lest you further interrupt their facey space ego time...

    Reality don't need no virtual.
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    grumpy old geezers
    Get off my lawn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imbeek View Post
    We were all way better off before computers. Period. We'd still be better off if a magnetic flux rebooted shit back to starting over with cards and tape



    Reality don't need no virtual.

    ?? How would insecure ladies text us pics of their buttholes with just cards and tape?

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    Re: Millenials and the so-called dying motorcycle industry

    Meh. Must be a city millennial thing.

    Bunch of my friends my age are getting bikes now.

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