Registering a CRF450x in Vermont

[Doc]

I figured I wold post this just in case someone had the same thoughts.

Option 1: "The easy way"

1. Purchase bike
2. Go to DMV
3. You need the Certificate of Origin (Or MSO)
4. You need a Bill of sale
5. You MAY need a Vin verification
6. Pay taxes, Reg/License fee and walk out with a plate/Reg/Title.

Option 2: "Doc's way"

1. Purchase bike WITHOUT Certificate of Origin
2. Go to DMV
3. Have Bill of sale and Reg paperwork.
4. Be polite and act lost.
5. Get told that you need the C of O
6. Repeat step 4.
7. Get told you need Vin verification and the C of O.
8. Repeat step 4.
9. Get 60 day Temp Reg and plate with reminder that you need to get the Vin verification and C of O to the DMV within 60 days.
10. Have cop friend come do Vin verification
11. Have the guy you sold the bike to look for the C of O AGAIN
12. Call connections at Honda dealer and ask for assistance (still waiting)
13. Ask used bike dealer friend for assistance (No help)
14. Search the web and find that you MAY need a letter from Honda saying they don't give out duplicate MSO/C of O's and hope that will fly with the DMV.
15. Search for original owner (just in case)

And so the saga continues.

Good news: The CRF is plated and I will be riding it soon.
Bad news: Possibly $222 to ride it for 60 days.

[kbroderick]

Not that I'd suggest it, but I've seen a 650 registered as a 250. Under 300ccs = no title in Vermont and, generally, a lot less paperwork.

(No, I haven't tried it, just seen the paperwork for a 650 that showed as 250cc and been around the process of correcting the error, which fortunately ended up not being painful. I don't know if that was a matter of luck or of policy, though.)

[NobodySpecific]

You should come out with Mark and I on Saturday!

[markbvt]

You should come out with Mark and I on Saturday!

Meeting at 10am at my house if you can make it.

--mark

[Doc]

I will see what I can do... That said I have shagged track dumops on it so not great for any dirty stuff... Tire Suggestions? I was thinking Avons or Michelin Macadams

[Doc]

Not that I'd suggest it, but I've seen a 650 registered as a 250. Under 300ccs = no title in Vermont and, generally, a lot less paperwork.

(No, I haven't tried it, just seen the paperwork for a 650 that showed as 250cc and been around the process of correcting the error, which fortunately ended up not being painful. I don't know if that was a matter of luck or of policy, though.)

Thought of that. Came damn close to writing 250 in the block but my conscience got the better of me.

[markbvt]

I will see what I can do... That said I have shagged track dumops on it so not great for any dirty stuff... Tire Suggestions? I was thinking Avons or Michelin Macadams

You've got the dirt wheels for it, right? 21"/18"? I'd recommend Conti TKC-80s or Dunlop D606s for dual-sport use.

As for 17" supermoto tires... dunno. You would know better than I, since I don't have any bikes with a 17" front wheel.

PS: We'll be riding maintained, Class III dirt roads tomorrow, so nothing you couldn't do on street tires. I need to give my wrist another few weeks before doing gnarlier stuff.

--mark

[Doc]

I am keeping thew dirty rims shod with dirty tires.

I am thinking Avon Distanzias for the 80% street 20% dirt roads I might do with it.

[markbvt]

I am keeping thew dirty rims shod with dirty tires.

Full-on dirt? If so, where are you riding?

You could also go with Pirelli Scorpion Pros, which are basically full-on dirt knobbies, but they're DOT-approved so you can legally use them on Class 4 roads.

I am thinking Avon Distanzias for the 80% street 20% dirt roads I might do with it.

You might also want to look into Shinko 705s, which are true 75/25 tires (the Distanzias are 90/10). I've run several of the Shinkos on my V-Strom -- great tires. They handle really well on pavement, and work nearly as well as TKC-80s on dirt (as long as it's not muddy). Plus they're inexpensive.

Pirelli MT-60R's are a pretty good choice as well. That's what my friend Jason ran on his Tiger 1050 on the Trans-Lab trip last month.

--mark

[Doc]

Gonna ride it dirty in Milton, Vergennes, Derby, and Richmond next year. (I hope)

[Baggey22]

Get that thing registered so I can try it! haha

[Doc]

Get that thing registered so I can try it! haha

Read the 1st post.

[Baggey22]

DO IT ANYWAY! haha

[Doc]

It IS registered.

[darkduc7]

damnit. now i have to get a dirtbike too!?

gameplan: sell the f2. buy a hawk. buy a dirtbike.

result: angry girlfreind, possibly single life

[Baggey22]

NOW RIDE IT!

[Doc]

NOW RIDE IT!

Wow, You are full of useless advice.

[catamount]

Meeting at 10am at my house if you can make it.

--mark

How about inviting me next time, dbags?

(Not that I could have made it, I flew back home on a red-eye that landed at 9:40 this morning)

[markbvt]

damnit. now i have to get a dirtbike too!?

gameplan: sell the f2. buy a hawk. buy a dirtbike.

result: angry girlfreind, possibly single life

No, don't buy a dirtbike because riding opportunities around here are ridiculously limited; buy a dual-sport. Or at least a plated enduro bike.

Ask Keith if you don't believe me. Awesome ride today, 115 miles mostly on dirt roads.

--mark

[markbvt]

How about inviting me next time, dbags?

(Not that I could have made it, I flew back home on a red-eye that landed at 9:40 this morning)

Because you were in Vague-Ass. If you had been around (or hadn't been posting Vegas pics to Facebook, making me aware of your absence), rest assured that an invitation would have been extended, and you would have subsequently been pestered into accepting.

Repeat next weekend, if the weather's decent.

--mark

[Doc]

damnit. now i have to get a dirtbike too!?

gameplan: sell the f2. buy a hawk. buy a dirtbike.

result: angry girlfreind, possibly single life

No, don't buy a dirtbike because riding opportunities around here are ridiculously limited; buy a dual-sport. Or at least a plated enduro bike.

Ask Keith if you don't believe me. Awesome ride today, 115 miles mostly on dirt roads.

--mark

BAH!
Buy a Dirtbike, Plate it, ride it in the dirt, ride it like a dual sport and motard it to ride it on the track. 3 bikes in 1.

[markbvt]

Buy a Dirtbike, Plate it, ride it in the dirt, ride it like a dual sport and motard it to ride it on the track. 3 bikes in 1.

Or you can just get one of the more dirt-oriented dual-sports and not have to worry about Certificates of Origin or a full-on dirtbike's much higher maintenance requirements.

--mark

[catamount]

That's it, give Doc a reason to buy yet another bike!

[Doc]

Or you can just get one of the more dirt-oriented dual-sports and not have to worry about Certificates of Origin or a full-on dirtbike's much higher maintenance requirements.

--mark

Or you could just make sure you get the C of O when you buy it (I got nothing on the higher maintenance) and be able to ride it on the track. That big front wheel on a dual sport SUCKS for street handling.

[NobodySpecific]

That big front wheel on a dual sport SUCKS for street handling.

Doesn't make it any less fun!