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    Everyone’s points are well taken and no harm done.

    Wayne [/B]
    agreed.

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    Originally posted by FireBallF4i
    One last comment about all this and I am gonna put this thing to bed.

    Kinda like a putting a soccer mom in a cage equipped with seatbelts and airbags that doesn’t have a clue about what she is doin. Not a good thing.

    Hee hee...we ALL know how bad THAT is too!

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    From Tony.... (aka 35)

    He's waiting for his registration email...so I'm posting this for him (let me know if you have any problems, or don't get that email, Tony). -JC

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    Below is a link to a product that I use. I'm interested in knowing if Chuck
    was aware of them, and and how the RHINO will differ.

    http://www.phoenixperformance.com/3009.htm

    They actually have about 15 different styles, all accessible from any page.

    Thanks,

    PS... Hope to see some of you guys at Track Day.

    Tony Iannarelli
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    http://www.samnetracing.com
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    Chuck,

    Is this stuff going to be primarily Vests, etc.. or will you be able to get Rhino armor to replace the stock armor that was in your gear?

    E.x. could I buy Rhino shoulder/elbow/knee pads to replace the ones in my Joe Rocket suit?

    Also, you mention lots of interesting details about the construction of the armor, have you done any tests with regards to whether or not the design of the armor hampers rider movement, causes extra heat problems, etc.. ?

    Thanks,
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    Some excellent questions from people here. We've evaluated some of the equestrian vests. Many offer very good protection, far exceeding that of motorcycle body armor. The number one problem with them is the flexibility. Vests in general do not allow for the side to side motion so common to motorcycle riding, especially racing. In horse riding there is limited side-to-side movement -- mostly you canter forward. Second, it is difficult to get body armor that is one-piece (as in a vest) to conform to all body contact areas comfortably. Even if it is custom sized, the added bulk of side panels makes vests unsuitable for motorcycling applications. We are considering integrating the chest and back protectors to allow for a more uniform torso protection and have spent a lot of time focusing on protection as well as comfort. Riders will be able to move around with total comfort. We also just finalized design of unique hip armor that offers both hard and soft protection of the greater trochanter (the large hip bone). As far as heat is concerned, we are working on this and should have some answers by the end of the week. Anything you add, regardless how light or thin is going to add some level of insulation warmth -- certainly armor won't add the amount of heat of a leather suit, but it has to be bearable. We will be offering back protectors, chest protectors and hip armor initially. We may offer knee/shin, shoulder and elbow/forearm armor at some point, but are most concerned with spinal cord and rib/organ related injuries at the moment. I wanted a line of hip armor since I shattered my hip/femur joint while wearing what was considered to be pretty good protection. "Better than nothing" wasn't apparently much better since I didn't walk for months. Our hip armor was just tested and is so comfortable you don't even realize that you are wearing it. All of the body armor is being designed to replace existing armor and will be able to be "inserted" into your current clothing or leathers (assuming the clothing has a pocket and accepts armor); or you may wear the protection "strap-on" style. The back protector will feature a removable kidney belting system.

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    Has nothing to do with holding your own on a track, I'm sure you ride well. Motorcycling involves much more side to side movement than horse riding. A vest cuts into the lower rib cage, making for an uncomfortable ride, race or track day, especially when going through turns. The protection offered by these vests, as I have stated is generally very good, it's just a matter of precise fit and stuffing a vest under leathers just doesn't work very well. Not to mention the more coverage, the more heat build-up, and by limiting the side ventilation, you'd sweat profusely.

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    RHINO Body Armor

    Originally posted by Chuck
    Has nothing to do with holding your own on a track, I'm sure you ride well.
    Atta boy Chuck! [snicker]

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    Chuck,
    what are the odds of one of the NESR Resident racers testing this equipment out? I don't know if you are doing hip and tailbone protection, as a future racer 7-6-02 with very bad hip problems this would be very attractive to me. Call me at work 401-604-2196 if you want to talk about it...

    Thanks for your time

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    Some real good points Tony. At some point I'd like to talk to you about your rib fractures. I broke 6 ribs and 3 connecting vertebrae and can tell anyone who hasn't -- you sure don't want to. Sneezing can be so painful.

    Gerard, hip protection was one of my primary focuses since I shattered my hip/femur joint (amongst other bones) in a dirtbike crash. The hip armor will feature hard armor protection of the greater trochanter. The back protector will have full tailbone coverage, as well as kidney, scapula, spinal and vertebrae protection. The hip armor will feature hard armor protection of the greater trochanter. Work on the website is beginning by the end of the week so I'll be able to post in greater detail the specific features. Racers will be a primary user of the body armor. Generally speaking the greater the speed the greater the potential injury. While the track is considered safer as far as injuries go, the higher speeds of racers makes having the best protection an important consideration. I'll call you to chat further.

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    Why the fuck can't people just be happy that the local guy is gonna be producing something that could damn well be beneficial to us all? Why? No one is saying he's reinventing the wheel here. Just making a product that could potentially save lives...

    I'm not Chuck's bestest bud or anything, so don't start on that angle. In fact, I've never even ridden with the guy. I just don't understand why discrediting this venture seems to be on everyone's priority list. Is it more beneficial that another product NOT be introduced to the motorcycling community? Someone please explain...

    And don't try the 'it's already out there' angle either. Helmets are already out there, as are boots, gloves, leather, kevlar, rain gear, etc. But nobody gets up in arms when someone introduces a new version of the previously mentioned...

    So, what the fuck is it about this that's putting Chuck in your crosshairs? I'm not stickin' up for the guy or anything either. He's a big boy and he's more than capable of taking care of himself. I just really wanna know what everyone's problem is with this. Honestly, what is it?

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    Personally I'm all for Chuck's new venture and I wish him the best of luck. Anything that furthers the safety of this sport works for me.

    "I just really wanna know what everyone's problem is with this. Honestly, what is it?"

    My thoughts:
    When new products are introduced to the market we usually don't hear about them while there being developed (Well sometimes... ie: Spy Pictures of new bikes and the like) . Normally we see the finished product in a picture in a magazine with a write-up, or at a trade show etc. We can look at it, pick it up, try it on, bang it around a little and call up our local shop and ask them when there comming in. Chuck introduced a product that still being developed (probably to get an idea what people think about it) and there's nothing tangable for us to see or feel. I think this makes people uneasy and they naturally become skepticle the "I'll believe it when I see it" kind of thing.

    This reminds me of the new Honda Interceptor. The headlines where all... "And they finally produced Hard bags for it" but no one could find any information about them. What did they look like? How do they attach? Now it's... don't hold your breath they may be available by the fall. Yea... I'll believe it when I see it!!!

    Once Chuck's web site is up and we can see just exactly what it is that he's developing I think the skeptisism will subside. Then if Rhino armor get's some good reviews in the the trade mags and some people you know start using it everyone will say "I remember when that stuff was 1st being developed".

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    ditto that.
    i don't see it as tryin' to trash the chuckster as much as trying to get a feel for what the armor's gonna be like, what it will and won't do, and why it's different/better from what's currently there... same as you'd do w/ two similar products in a store.

    also, since it's in development, we have a chance to add our input as to what would be nice to have...
    -t

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    Okay, okay. Maybe I was a bit cranky. No a/c, two restless kids, a restless dog, can't fuckin' breathe in this weather, and I hadn't gotten baked yet...

    <<...inhale deeply....hold....little squeek of a cough.....cough and exhale...rinse & repeat...>>

    Ahhh...better now. Maybe I'll just calm the hell down and let this thread go dormant 'til I can try wunna these bad boys out.

    Oh, and Chuck? Don't suppose you'll have a model that'll circulate cold water throughout....

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    Ahhhh I'm good now too
    I think that I have quite a good visual of the product he is developing without seeing it because of all the questions asked here, this is a good thing. Damn I even looked at new pants last night but just couldn't do it, but I checked out the armor that was in it because I have been following this saga. (pants were way too bulky)

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    The response from everyone has been great. As has been said it's to be expected that people would have many questions. I'm glad they do. This is an excellent baord to bounce thoughts off of and the responses will make for the best product possible. Cool water through the armor, as silly as it sounds, and yes, it's a silly idea since practically any substrate material temperature will rise (even ice melts) almost immediately when subjected to 110-115 degree F heat (typical in a race suit). We have also tried freezing the material (as well as torch testing for use in automotive sports). Our material will not be open cell, therefore, water won't go through it. We did do a series of tests early on with open cell material but found that it's memory rebound was too fast. We opted to go with the most shock absorbing material we could find instead. Also, we just contracted a series of tests to be performed using different densities and perforations...the result...drumroll please. Very interesting. Perforation doesn't do much of anything UNLESS the material is pulled away from the skin surface and the outside introduced air is allowed to pass over the skin's surface. Also, the thicker the material, the more holes needed to produce any effect, and the less the impact resistance. We upped the density blend, but since the material will not be pulled away from the body to allow air flow (and even a back protector that is placed in the back of a suit doesn't allow for much static flow), the end result was that you could punch holes into it like swiss cheese, and even engineer the heavier density to equate to a lighter more flexible one by removing a specific amount of material, but the cooling effect vs. no perforation is nil. I just signed off to authorize testing of a thinner substrate for the chest and hip armor and several tests of covering materials, which is the next step in the final development process.

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