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Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

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    Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    Hello all,

    I recently found out when replacing my steering head bearings, that one of the collars that the bearing races sits on is damaged beyond repair. Pete at GMD convinced me this was unsafe to ride as is, so I just found a new frame. I currently have a MA salvage title, but the new frame has a clean title from MN. I figured this would be a bonus to get my bike back to having a clean title.

    Is there any way to register the new VIN without registering it as a new bike? Just trying to avoid paying sales tax on whatever ridiculous number the RMV values the bike at.


    Thank you for any help,

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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    Nope, new VIN means you start from scratch with the DMV unfortunately. There is a path to get a blank frame stamped with your old VIN for a repair but I don't know the particulars other than you can't start with an already stamped frame as the destination.

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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    pretty sure you'd be registering a whole new vehicle with that frame. keep your old as a spare, or sell it.

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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    damn... ok I figured as much. I looked at the blank frame/old VIN thing, it costs way more than the $600 I paid for this frame and title. I may just ride it for a while without registering it to delay the cost.

    Does anyone know if I need a bill of sale to go with this frame as well?

    And do I tell them I bought a new frame, or a new bike? I don't want to deal with them trying to tell me it should be a salvage title now because I swapped all the parts over, or that I need to have it inspected by a state trooper...


    And yes I will be selling the old one, hopefully.

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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    doesnt matter if you bought the frame or bike...it's the same thing.

    i would assume you'll need a bill of sale and a copy of the title, if you're planning on titling it in your name and registering the bike

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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    You'll need whatever you'd normally need to register a whole bike with that frame in the same situation. If you bought it used, a BOS plus title, etc.

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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    turn it into a track only bike and get a new streetbike. done.

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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    well then I would've just bought a salvage title frame.

    I'll probably ask for an un-dated BOS then, and if/when I decide to register it, I'll throw a date on.


    Thanks for the replies guys. I wasn't finding a concrete answer in my searches.

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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    Quote Originally Posted by island boyeee View Post
    damn... ok I figured as much. I looked at the blank frame/old VIN thing, it costs way more than the $600 I paid for this frame and title. I may just ride it for a while without registering it to delay the cost.
    not sure if this is a good idea. In case of an accident / police checks your VIN, u may be uninsured/get into trouble .. plus they check the VIN no when they do the inspection.

    Btw, why do you think it will cost you 600$ ? 75$ for Mass title + 20$ for registration ...

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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanRo View Post
    not sure if this is a good idea. In case of an accident / police checks your VIN, u may be uninsured/get into trouble .. plus they check the VIN no when they do the inspection.

    Btw, why do you think it will cost you 600$ ? 75$ for Mass title + 20$ for registration ...
    Tax?

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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    Quote Originally Posted by SwiftTone View Post
    Tax?
    600$ would be for a 10k bike ... but maybe one of these would be useful .. http://www.mass.gov/dor/docs/dor/for...dfs/mvu-24.pdf ?


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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    I think he means he paid $600 for the used frame with title, which is much less than buying a brand new un-stamped frame and going through the process of having it stamped with the old VIN..

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    Re: Swapping frame, how to register new VIN?

    yes what Eric said. A new unstamped frame from Triumph is like $2,000...


    DanRo that form is interesting.. but I'm not sure how I could get away with that. I don't think I can gift it to myself, and I'm not sure the guy I bought it from in MN would be willing to lie and say he just gave it to me.

    But if I could somehow use that to say I'm just replacing the frame of a bike I already own and have paid tax on.. then that would be sweet. I may have to discuss with my insurance and the RMV.

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