see this is the way i wanna ride

[Doc]

why am i the troll?

Because you can't be this ignorant in real life.

[Kham]

Because you can't be this ignorant in real life.

oh comon. i'll bet you a lot of people have no clue. so what am i talking about again? not the speed. all i know is given the same speed taken at different line with how slow/fast you turn you could lay it down at different angle. dont know how far you can go really but when i scrape something, that's as far as i know. from that pic it's pretty far but im sure you and every race guy can ride like that already. not talking about fast or am i wrong? do yo uahve to go mach 1 to get to that?

not trolling man. just retard. dont reply if dont want but you will get same reply as hesososososogood.

[OreoGaborio]

Because you can't be this ignorant in real life.

The only thing that I would even come close to considering "ignorant" was his question about riding like that at parking lot speeds or the question about the tires..... the rest I actually understood.... maybe his engrish is getting better, or maybe I'm just finally learning Khamish.

[SteveM]

My physics might be off, but I think a lean angle like that without the speed to generate centrifugal force would result in the bike simply falling over.

Now you can attain more lean angle at slower speeds by changing body position so that you lean opposite the lean of the bike, as you might for slow speed parking lot turns, but I've never understood why a rider would want more lean angle than necessary because it eats up part of the "traction pie."

[Kham]

see i pete. he speaks my languange.

the parking lot speed was exagerated to get to hesogood. i can play his smartass game.

Now you can attain more lean angle at slower speeds by changing body position so that you lean opposite the lean of the bike, as you might for slow speed parking lot turns, but I've never understood why a rider would want more lean angle than necessary because it eats up part of the "traction pie."

we were told doing lazy turn will need more laying down to make the corner as well. as to why you want to do this? beats me. looks fun til you get wash out?

[Doc]

from that pic it's pretty far but im sure you and every race guy can ride like that already.

not trolling man. just retard. dont reply if dont want but you will get same reply as hesososososogood.

Ask anyone. I can't ride like that.

Kham you just come across wrong. I hope you are just trying to improve yourself. Seriously come to the track.

LAPS days are VERY cheap! http://www.leanangleperformance.com/tracks/

Hell I will give you $50 if I see you at one of those days!!

[OreoGaborio]

we were told doing lazy turn will need more laying down to make the corner as well. as to why you want to do this? beats me. looks fun til you get wash out?

It's kinda tough to explain that easily..... but basically a lazy turn-in means you have to turn harder later on in the turn because you're not getting the bike pointed through the turn as quickly & as early as you could.

.... does that make any sense?

[Kham]

It's kinda tough to explain that easily..... but basically a lazy turn-in means you have to turn harder later on in the turn because you're not getting the bike pointed through the turn as quickly & as early as you could.

.... does that make any sense?

yes which means it has to lean more and hold it there longer. right? when i asked about my stock peg height, that's the first thing you said. on the other hand when you point early, probly little slower entry?, you can drive out harder early because you would have more traction = less lean which can result quicker time?

[keeena]

My physics might be off, but I think a lean angle like that without the speed to generate centrifugal force would result in the bike simply falling over.

Nope! An ARC instructor (Dino? w/ the 999) did that @ about 20-ish mph around their circle of cones in the 'look thru corner' exercise.

[FireboltEric_MA]

Hell I will give you $50 if I see you at one of those days!!

Ewww...Ewwww...Pick me Doc... I will go if I can get 50.00 from ya!...

Hell I may go anyways....

[Kham]

Ask anyone. I can't ride like that.

Kham you just come across wrong. I hope you are just trying to improve yourself. Seriously come to the track.

LAPS days are VERY cheap! http://www.leanangleperformance.com/tracks/

Hell I will give you $50 if I see you at one of those days!!

deal! if i see you there i'll come looking for my $50.

[boloson]

deal! if i see you there i'll come looking for my $50.

call fat-shel now....and u can lean like that but not on a kwak. it has to be on a gixx

[Kham]

call fat-shel now....and u can lean like that but not on a kwak. it has to be on a gixx

sshh!

[Doc]

deal! if i see you there i'll come looking for my $50.

I have the Hawk with #116 on it or the 998. I'll have $50 in cash waiting.

You have to attend the trackday. The WHOLE day and I will give you the cash at the end.

Which day are you going to?

[Doc]

Ewww...Ewwww...Pick me Doc... I will go if I can get 50.00 from ya!...

Hell I may go anyways....

1. You have been to the track before.
2. I started that addiction in the first place.
3. Kham needs this more than you do.

[OreoGaborio]

Wirelessly posted (Samsung Lube.... Er, Glyde: Mozilla/5.0 440x240 Samsung SCH-U940 NetFront/3.4)

It's kinda tough to explain that easily..... but basically a lazy turn-in means you have to turn harder later on in the turn because you're not getting the bike pointed through the turn as quickly & as early as you could.

.... does that make any sense?

yes which means it has to lean more and hold it there longer. right? when i asked about my stock peg height, that's the first thing you said. on the other hand when you point early, probly little slower entry?, you can drive out harder early because you would have more traction = less lean which can result quicker time?

yup. pretty much. Except for the slower entry speed part. You can enter just as fast, if not faster when you ue the whole traction circle.

[Kham]

I have the Hawk with #116 on it or the 998. I'll have $50 in cash waiting.

You have to attend the trackday. The WHOLE day and I will give you the cash at the end.

Which day are you going to?

so if im down and out before EOD, im not getting $50?

[Doc]

If you crash we fix your bike and get you back out there.

[Awesome]

If you crash we fix your bike and get you back out there.

Kahm has done a trackday.

I believe it was the first or second one that I had ever done.

He showed up late and called it quits early.

[Doc]

Kahm has done a trackday.

I believe it was the first or second one that I had ever done.

He showed up late and called it quits early.

[Wishbone]

More money you put into the bike the fast your lap times and the greater your lean angle, everyone knows that.

Worked for me. Few years ago when I first rolled into PK's shop I tried stuffing my wallet into the the shock. He promptly showed me his nice CC machine that works sooo much better.

Several swipes latter I'm more gooder than I usta was.

Because you can't be this ignorant in real life.

Why not?

I'm way stupider than you could possibly imagine.

.... maybe his engrish is getting better, or maybe I'm just finally learning Khamish.

Either way it's scary. Cause I'm understanding more too

[toocrazy2yoo]

Ye Gawds, I'm such a coward. I hang the sole of my shoe out over the edge of the peg and inch or two, when that's scrapin' pavement, that e-fuggin-nuff. My ass crack ain't half-hangin' off the bike, but it's as upright as I can keep it in a 35 MPH turn doin' 50 or 60 or so. And you doods are doin' this stuff HOW fast? 75? 80? 100? 110?

Yall need a shrink. I realize my C-14 ain't a Gixxer, and any of yall could do more with my bike than I could, but still. Maybe I need a track day. But a 700 lb bike ain't the way ta go, is it? I mean, what would be the strategy for piloting a C-14 around that track? Impossible, right? Bikes sure have changed the last, oh, 30 years?

[OreoGaborio]

Ye Gawds, I'm such a coward. I hang the sole of my shoe out over the edge of the peg and inch or two, when that's scrapin' pavement, that e-fuggin-nuff. My ass crack ain't half-hangin' off the bike, but it's as upright as I can keep it in a 35 MPH turn doin' 50 or 60 or so. And you doods are doin' this stuff HOW fast? 75? 80? 100? 110?

Yall need a shrink. I realize my C-14 ain't a Gixxer, and any of yall could do more with my bike than I could, but still. Maybe I need a track day. But a 700 lb bike ain't the way ta go, is it? I mean, what would be the strategy for piloting a C-14 around that track? Impossible, right? Bikes sure have changed the last, oh, 30 years?

C'mahn, dude!

It's not about what the bike CAN'T do, it's about what the rider can do with the bike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSVg3Gg4LmA

[spydah]

Nope! An ARC instructor (Dino? w/ the 999) did that @ about 20-ish mph around their circle of cones in the 'look thru corner' exercise.

Dino can get a knee down in a tight circle. I've seen him do it. Its all about the lateral force coefficient. Speed & arc combined are what allows you to lean the bike without dropping it. Think of the Turkish Twist a Canobie Lake Park. Once they get it spun up enough and your body has enough lateral force, they can drop the floor out and you stick to a wall.

Same rules apply to a bike. The faster you are in a curve the more you can lean because the lateral force & vertical load push the tires into the ground more. Also, the tightness of the curve puts more force on the tire as well (Turkish Tiwst has a static curve ). So the limiting factor is the tires ability to stick to the pavement with the given lateral and force for a given vertical load (lateral force coefficient). This is kinda what Pete's talking about and why a smooth arc and throttle control close to the apex is critical. The few feet before and after the apex is where the force is at its max on the tires.

Dino is able to get the right arc with the right speed without breaking his tires loose to get a knee down. I want to say its like a 15 foot radius or something.

PS. I'm not expert on this crap.

[Ninjajim]

Dino can get a knee down in a tight circle. I've seen him do it. Its all about the lateral force coefficient. Speed & arc combined are what allows you to lean the bike without dropping it. Think of the Turkish Twist a Canobie Lake Park. Once they get it spun up enough and your body has enough lateral force, they can drop the floor out and you stick to a wall.

Same rules apply to a bike. The faster you are in a curve the more you can lean because the lateral force & vertical load push the tires into the ground more. Also, the tightness of the curve puts more force on the tire as well (Turkish Tiwst has a static curve ). So the limiting factor is the tires ability to stick to the pavement with the given lateral and force for a given vertical load (lateral force coefficient). This is kinda what Pete's talking about and why a smooth arc and throttle control close to the apex is critical. The few feet before and after the apex is where the force is at its max on the tires.

Dino is able to get the right arc with the right speed without breaking his tires loose to get a knee down. I want to say its like a 15 foot radius or something.

PS. I'm not expert on this crap.

Awesome Turkish Tiwst analogy