My crash going in turn 3 last round. Open for criticism and helpful advice

[Roland]

http://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&ns=1...id=zo3Os6xzlR4

This was my crash going in to turn 3. still don't know what exactly went wrong but i think that it was a combination of things. #1 the brake pads i have get more bite when they are hot than cold and i wasn't ready for that type of bite when applying brake. up till that point bakes felt a little soft seeing this is my street bike and was never pushed like she was at the track that day i had not prior experience with those brake bite when hot. also after practice a buddy noticed my brake lever was not flowing smooth and oiled it for me i just didn't expect that much of a difference boy was i wrong. #2 in twelve years the bikes front end has never been serviced so the fork oil is probably shit which is why she bottomed out so easy causing be to loose traction. I broke hard but no harder than i do or was going into turn one only difference i can think of is the bumps in turn 3 and the braking being to much. #3 i was moving about 5-6 seconds faster than i do in practice. and was trying to go even faster chasing down the #3 spot. I always am scared to crash in practice so i dont push my self in practice but once the green flag waves i loose all fear of crashing and thats probably a big problem with me right there. i need to push my self at practice so i can know what to expect in a race.

The main footage is from a buddies cam that was behind me. The lap timer and gps is from my bike a long with the PIP video footage (at the top of main video).

Roland Fahnbulleh Jr. LRRS Novice #240

[Pigman]

Bum Link......

[Roland]

I just tried it again and it worked please try again. if not here it goes again

http://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&ns=1...id=zo3Os6xzlR4

[OreoGaborio]

Your link still sucks. Looks like you're linking to your video edit page. Kinda tough when we're not signed in as you.

Get the url to the video itself. It should start with "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v="

[Gecko]

I don't yet see it uploaded to his main tube page: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpoA...63ziUZg/videos

[timmyho414]

funny, I checked that too.

[Jim]

ya i didnt see anything on there. just the august race

[shortbus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo3Os6xzlR4

[Roland]

Ok sorry about the bum link. I will fix. I have it set to unlisted. But I will change to Plublic. I thought if I shared the link you all could still see it even though it was unlisted. Guess I thought wrong. Will be fixed shortly.

[Jim]

might want to start uploading without music.
look into Dash Ware for your GPS and video

[Paul_E_D]

Well, You can't tell anything about the crash from the vid except that it happened early in the braking zone. Can't really blame you pads on lap 3. They have been hot since lap 1. You can certainly lock the front when your bike bottoms in the bumps, but even that is rider induced. If you slam on the brakes right in the bumps, well... boom. if you are sacking out the front on the brakes, you need to be smoother pulling them on. You can't brake so hard so fast.

[The Snowman]

I looked at it a number of times. It looks like he braked too hard, lifted the rear wheel, and it came down a little sideways. It happens fast, so you have to look closely.

Like Paul said, hard to blame the pads. They really shouldn't bite any differently when cold vs hot. In fact, as they get hotter, they made fade a little.

[MarkMarine]

I looked at it a number of times. It looks like he braked too hard, lifted the rear wheel, and it came down a little sideways. It happens fast, so you have to look closely.

Like Paul said, hard to blame the pads. They really shouldn't bite any differently when cold vs hot. In fact, as they get hotter, they made fade a little.

While I am not commenting on pad bite between lap 1 to lap 3, I can tell you for sure that my pads bite harder when they are hot, and when they are dead cold they feel horrible. That said, I can warm them up on the warm up lap.

[MarkMarine]

And to the original post:
I'd chalk that crash up to bottoming stock suspension on the bumps on a really heavy, stock suspended bike. Your suspension probably couldn't handle the up/down motion PLUS having 600 lbs suspended (you+bike) and you lost the front tire and bam.

[Roland]

OK i think i fixed link now:

might want to start uploading without music.
look into Dash Ware for your GPS and video

Thanks for the suggestion but My races (novice races) are so boring no one would sit threw the whole thing with out a little music. I will look into Dash Ware. I only like race render because its free lol.

As for my reason about mentioning brake pad biting more when hot, that was because of a combo of two things one the feel i felt right before crashing and else wear on track during that particular lap, and secondly Galfer stating this about the 1003 compound

copied from dealer site (not Street and Comp so i wont mention its name):

"The G1003 compound features:

1.Laser cut backing plate for EXACT fitment and limited stress to the material (most backing plates are stamped)
2.Laser cutting allows for higher consistency
3.Backing plates are then heat treated and double disc ground just like our rotors, making them perfectly flat.
4.This helps by almost eliminating plate warpage and allows the pad compound to remain in better contact with the disc.
5.Can reach friction levels as high as .72u!!!
6.Very progressive and work better the hotter they get.
7.Available for most modern OEM 600/750/1000 machines and Brembo Calipers.
8.RACE USE ONLY!! Not recommended for street use or for a bike under 600cc."

if you check out bulletin #6 thats what they (Galfer) says about this compound. So i was adding it into my evaluation of my accident. I know that the main problem was me, I'm just trying to figure out the other variables. You guys are right though, worm up happened on first lap i just wasn't anticipating it. I will brake smoother and softer next time figure a low side from going to fast is better than what i got for braking to hard!!!

Thanks Mark for the advice i will chalk it up as just that. I just know that with another level of a rider that might not have been an issue at all, and I am desperately trying to become that level of a rider.

[OreoGaborio]

I have it set to unlisted. But I will change to Plublic. I thought if I shared the link you all could still see it even though it was unlisted. Guess I thought wrong. Will be fixed shortly.

Mah it was the link you're giving that was bad, not the privacy settings

Private means only the video owner can view
Unlisted means only those with the (right) link can view.
Public means anyone can view and search for the video.

[Trouble]

Are you using your rear brake going into turn 3? Lap 1 you let out a cloud of smoke as if you were skidding the rear tire.

If you aren't going to get your forks serviced at least throw a zip tie on them to determine how much travel you are using. That'll also tell you if you are actually bottoming out the shock instead of just guessing. If you are actually feeling the shock bottom out something is very wrong and you are a nutter for racing on them at all.

[OreoGaborio]

Make your vid available to mobile

[MarkMarine]

OK i think i fixed link now:
if you check out bulletin #6 thats what they (Galfer) says about this compound. So i was adding it into my evaluation of my accident. I know that the main problem was me, I'm just trying to figure out the other variables. You guys are right though, worm up happened on first lap i just wasn't anticipating it. I will brake smoother and softer next time figure a low side from going to fast is better than what i got for braking to hard!!!

Thanks Mark for the advice i will chalk it up as just that. I just know that with another level of a rider that might not have been an issue at all, and I am desperately trying to become that level of a rider.

Dude, Forgiving yourself for the mistakes is the first thing you can do here, watch the AMA, motoGP, any racing... those guys splat onto the pavement just like us. You crashed and this time, I think you can actually blame the suspension, or your crazy ass for riding that bike at your pace. Its just another lesson, like not using your front brake in the grass or trying to "steer it back on the track" when you run off, like I did. Your lesson just comes with some extra pain, and that sucks.

[OreoGaborio]

Can't tell a damn thing about your crash from that video other than the fact that you locked up one of the tires WAY deep into the braking zone... hopefully long after you initially started braking. Cuz if it locked up at your brake marker, well, there's your problem.

[odduc]

Looks like you made the same mistake as I did during the September round. Braking too late and attempting to turn the bike while still hard on the brakes. I did the same thing, at the same corner with the same result. Your laps prior to the crash looked pretty good.

I don't know about you, but it sucked all my confidence away as my horribly slow lap times reflected for the remainder of the weekend.

All any of us can do is remember and learn from our mistakes. The good news is that you seem to have come out without any injuries.

Here's to a more successful weekend in October.

[OreoGaborio]

I dunno... If he was trying to turn in there he probably would have turned inside the rumble strip & hit the wall along the NASCAR back straight.

Probably bottomed out the forks & stabbed the brakes but it's way too tough to tell.

[MarkMarine]

He's all banged up unfortunately. Definitely didn't get out of it without injury, that tire wall isn't forgiving

[Gecko]

Hard to tell from so far away ... but it looks like the left side of the bike hit the ground, correct? I ask because it looks like you fell off the left side of the bike. If that's the case, I'm going with Paul_E_D's critique. Not thinking he was turning in that far back, plus if he and the bike fell left it would also suggest he wasn't turning in right.

Btw, for those who know they have pads that bite harder when they are hot (not sure what brand these are) such that it could cause you to crash in a fashion like this ... drag your brakes around the track on the warm-up lap to get them up to temp ... don't wait for T1 or T3 after the green flies. Personally, I'd get rid of any pads that behaved in that manner, but that's just me.

[CBR929RE]

He's all banged up unfortunately. Definitely didn't get out of it without injury, that tire wall isn't forgiving

so its no different than any other time he'd climbed on the bike this year. crashes and injuries haven't stopped him for going out and doing it again.