Eject System

[gmdboston]

I just use the pull out system. Is that not adequate?

ok, Dad.....

[DucDave]

Arai has a system already available - I know at least one expert and successful racer who has this in all his helmets

And it workd on the same principal as this aftermarket system posted earlier....

http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=6075

[OreoGaborio]

Threads merged. No reason to have two threads on this topic anymore.

[jcrawford]

that has got to be one of the most annoying websites i have visitied.

[CBR929RE]

Threads merged. No reason to have two threads on this topic anymore.

there wasn't a reason to have 2 in the first place

[KB]

boring boring boring is it april yet I am fucking racing if they require this thing or not. Do I want to spend the money NO. Will I if that is what the RULES say YES.

KB

[a13x]

Paging thru Stilo helmet catalog here at work (top helmet for car drivers) and they offer the EJECT system as a add-on. They'll factory install it in your helmet when you order direct.

http://stilo-usa.com/

It's listed as Auto/Motorcycle Kit.

Just FYI.

[BrianC]

I'm still waiting to see if Arai's pull tab cheek pad removal system can be used in place of the eject system... but if there is a good helmet from other brands that come equipped w/eject I'd be willing to pick one of those up instead of a new Arai. I need a new helmet anyway.

Paging thru Stilo helmet catalog here at work (top helmet for car drivers) and they offer the EJECT system as a add-on. They'll factory install it in your helmet when you order direct.

http://stilo-usa.com/

It's listed as Auto/Motorcycle Kit.

Just FYI.

[R7]

Paging thru Stilo helmet catalog here at work (top helmet for car drivers) and they offer the EJECT system as a add-on. They'll factory install it in your helmet when you order direct.

http://stilo-usa.com/

It's listed as Auto/Motorcycle Kit.

Just FYI.

Just a FYI, there'd be a lot less concerns with people here if each helmet brand has their own eject system designed specifically for their helmets, such as the one you posted.
That link does nothing to support the concerns posted here

[butcher bergs]

Alex - "A" for effort.


In other news:

I was trying very hard to leave this alone but I really feel I should follow up regarding the places I contacted. I heard back from (almost) all of them.

The 3 helmet mfg's I contacted either did "not have a standpoint on using the device for motorcycle roadracing" or did not otherwise clearly offer approval for it in motorcycle roadracing.

CCS has not yet replied to an e-mail...sent almost two weeks ago...that asked about CCS's approval of this device. On a personal note, I'm willing to bet that Mr Elliot is extremely busy doing something extremely important.

WERA has not included it as a mandatory item and that is their standpoint as far as I can tell. On another personal note, I was very pleased to see that Mr Clarke not only responded within 5 business days, but did so during a holiday weekend.

[daviid]

and here is the answer everyone is looking for...

[timmyho414]

I got mine a day or two ago. I put it in and it fits nicely under removable inner liner. I couldn't feel it when I put the helmet on.
My only question now is will I feel it and will it leave press marks on my head after 45-60 minutes? I'm not committed enough to wear it around the house for that long so I have to wait until spring.

[Woodcraft]

From Brain Weston, director of operations for Arai Americas. His opinion, in short is that (1) the effect of the bag on the impact performance on the crown of the head needs to be fully tested (2) riders need to be clearly instructed not to make any chages to the helmet to make "room" for the bag and (3) riders need to take care of this system. He offered a look at Arai's alternative as well for a reduced cost.

His detailed reply:

I do have concerns about the eject system, as the expanding bag is folded and placed on the crown of the interior, usually between the crown pad and the EPS liner.

In an auto helmet, there is a low chance of an impact to the crown, but in a motorcycle crash an impact to the top of the head is more likely. How this folded bag effects the helmets impact performance is a question that should be asked, tested, vetted out, confirmed documented and fully understood by all concerned before such a device is required.

My main concern with any device that helps remove a helmet from an unresponsive rider is that the device itself should not adversely affect the helmets performance, which may in fact play a part in the rider being unresponsive. In Arai’s case, being that our interior matches the shape and contour of the human head so closely, the thickness of the folded bag has caused discomfort for some wearers, prompting them to dig out a shallow pocket in the EPS for the bag to sit in. This obviously is of great concern, as the helmets ability to protect is being compromised.

I have in the past suggested to Snell to offer a support service for aftermarket products that are placed on or inside a helmet that is Snell certified. If the product does not interfere with the helmets Snell certification, Snell can then certify that product in conjunction with the helmets certification. This would need to be done for each helmet brand, as each is tested and certified by Snell independently, but would give the consumer or user of that product confidence that great lengths have been taken to make sure the product not only delivers on what it offers, but does not in the process take away from what the helmet itself offers.

Additionally, I do not believe there is any method in place to inspect the integrity of the eject system once installed inside the helmet. Having seen firsthand how poorly some riders take care of their helmets, I can imagine a scenario where the bag is damaged or the air line itself or it’s connection points are damaged, rendering the system unusable, which is not discovered until it is actually needed and it is attempted to be used.

Having said all that, Arai created two extremely elegant and simple emergency helmets removable aides. First, most of our models now have the emergency removable cheek pads which allows quick and simple removal of the cheek pads, which then allows the helmet to be removed with relative ease.

The second is a hood (or head sock) that is put on the head before the helmet is put on. It can be worn with any helmet brand and works equally as well on any size helmet. It does not require installation, is relatively inexpensive and can be physically inspected easily as it is separate from the helmet. The hood is made from Arai’s Dry-Cool® material, which will keep the riders cooler (regardless of helmet brand) and is washable, extending the life of the hood as well as the helmet.

Below are two links to videos on You Tube. One shows the hood and how it is put on and the other shows how the hood works in the field (note the field demonstration is done by amateurs and not professional EMT’s). Also, both videos run in slow motion for about half way and then at normal speed for the second half. I will send you a few samples for you to check out for yourself and perhaps propose to LRRS as an alternative to the eject system.

Video For Rescuers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=3pfEWsUAKLk

Video for Wearers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Zf_Rce5hlXs

We would be willing to sell one to every to LRRS rider at our cost, which is about $15. Replacements cost would be $25.

[Rada]

Thanks Eric

Here is another method for the Eject system. Maybe this method makes more sense as it is not worn by the rider.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnZrm6jQp90
I'm not saying its better but just another angle.

[BrianC]

I really hope that was Eric just posted will be considered by Lrrs, and that they will be willing to allow either of the Arai-designed removal features in place of the eject system. Ideally, the cheek-pad removal system that already comes standard in the new helmet I want!

[Gecko]

From Brain Weston, director of operations for Arai Americas.... I do have concerns about the eject system.... Arai created two extremely elegant and simple emergency helmets removable aides....

Video for Wearers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Zf_Rce5hlXs

We would be willing to sell one to every to LRRS rider at our cost, which is about $15. Replacements cost would be $25.

I be luvin me sum a dem Arai Doo-Rags ... ya man!
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[scottieducati]

Or how about this, train the EMS staff on both equipped-and non-equipped helmets, and leave the choice about the rider's head's safety to... THE RIDER.

Just a thought....

[union]

Eric has there been any word from the track on this? Id like to run my first expert season this year but I'm not down with the bag in a helmet.

[Woodcraft]

I have not got official word yet, but my honest guess is that they are going to require this. If you or anyone else has good, constructive feedback - either for or against this system - I'd like to hear it.

[timmyho414]

I have not got official word yet, but my honest guess is that they are going to require this. If you or anyone else has good, constructive feedback - either for or against this system - I encourage you to send it to all the powers that be at the track today.

Email sent to allow for substitutes.

[Gecko]

I have not got official word yet, but my honest guess is that they are going to require this. If you or anyone else has good, constructive feedback - either for or against this system - I encourage you to send it to all the powers that be at the track today.

I would think the letter sent from Brain Weston, director of operations for Arai Americas, regarding his apparent opinion against the adoption and implementation of such a system without or until full testing is complete and approved by SNELL, sent by a very well respected member of our riding community, should be fairly persuasive, and carry a lot of weight, with all the powers that be at the track. Perhaps even reminding them that mandating the use of a piece of equipment, even if that equipment is meant as a safety measure, knowing that that the helmet the equipment is supposed to fit into is not manufactured to accommodate that piece of equipment, and knowing that the piece of equipment has not been fully tested by its manufacturer in every type of helmet, and its manufacturer has not sought or received approval of its device for use in all the major helmet manufacturers products, and has not even approached SNELL or some other safety organization's for their approval or endorsement, that later proves to be dangerous and causes injury to a participant(s) of a sanctioned event where its use has been mandated by LRRS and/or NHMS … is a lawyers wet dream….

[OreoGaborio]

I would think the letter sent from Brain Weston, director of operations for Arai Americas, regarding his apparent opinion against the adoption and implementation of such a system without or until full testing is complete and approved by SNELL, sent by a very well respected member of our riding community, should be fairly persuasive, and carry a lot of weight, with all the powers that be at the track. Perhaps even reminding them that mandating the use of a piece of equipment, even if that equipment is meant as a safety measure, knowing that that the helmet the equipment is supposed to fit into is not manufactured to accommodate that piece of equipment, and knowing that the piece of equipment has not been fully tested by its manufacturer in every type of helmet, and its manufacturer has not sought or received approval of its device for use in all the major helmet manufacturers products, and has not even approached SNELL or some other safety organization's for their approval or endorsement, that later proves to be dangerous and causes injury to a participant(s) of a sanctioned event where its use has been mandated by LRRS and/or NHMS … is a lawyers wet dream….

All that and in only two sentences

[R7]

All that and in only two sentences

May only be 2 sentences, but it's to the point and 100% true

[Gecko]

All that and in only two sentences

It was one sentence, but figured since this is pro bono, why not splurge and make it two....

[OreoGaborio]

May only be 2 sentences, but it's to the point and 100% true

It was pretty much the only thing I could find "wrong" with his post