STOP KILLING OUR HOPES AND DREAMS!Originally Posted by a13x
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well, in most cases i tend to agree with you alex, but i think your response needs to be a bit more specific here.
i agree with the fact that if this is really an all out, run what ya brung event with the likes of several world class racers showing up..... then there is a very slim chance that the racing would be any good, but look at the attention its getting.
in reality you will see better racing in the dmg events, but what have they done to really drum up business and excitement for the sport? the rules change has made the racing better, but have you seen the ama commercials? they advertise "american superbike" and 90% of the commercial is supersport footage! i know you love ama racing, and at the end of the day, so do i..... but dmg and the ama fucked the US series and now this group wants to put out a product that will draw attention and thats what they are doing. google it.
if dmg thought they were going to produce a good product, we wouldnt be watching races 1-2 weeks after they take place! they would have put their money where their mouth is, and put cash on the line for a good viewing spot on speed. then advertise the shit out of the series, create a weekly show to keep viewers involved in between races, slash ticket prices for the first season and get the fans back.
ok, i'm off my soap box
LRRS EX #165 (formerly)
You say that as if you think top level motorcycle racers aren't self motivated to win races.I dunno, I think with a million dollars on the line it would, in fact, be moto crash. Look what happens when we're just racing for wooden plaques
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well, in most cases i tend to agree with you alex, but i think your response needs to be a bit more specific here.
i agree with the fact that if this is really an all out, run what ya brung event with the likes of several world class racers showing up..... then there is a very slim chance that the racing would be any good, but look at the attention its getting.
in reality you will see better racing in the dmg events, but what have they done to really drum up business and excitement for the sport? the rules change has made the racing better, but have you seen the ama commercials? they advertise "american superbike" and 90% of the commercial is supersport footage! i know you love ama racing, and at the end of the day, so do i..... but dmg and the ama fucked the US series and now this group wants to put out a product that will draw attention and thats what they are doing. google it.
if dmg thought they were going to produce a good product, we wouldnt be watching races 1-2 weeks after they take place! they would have put their money where their mouth is, and put cash on the line for a good viewing spot on speed. then advertise the shit out of the series, create a weekly show to keep viewers involved in between races, slash ticket prices for the first season and get the fans back.
ok, i'm off my soap box
What attention? A half-ass press release? Some riders paid to appear at this 'Investors Meeting'. A hokey website? A wack racing idea?
It's a gimmick dude. It's a TV Package about nothing. Look at the track picked for goodness sakes. BARBER!! Amazing place, my #1 fave place on Earth, but horrible for hot bikes. Heck World Superbike had issues around running there because it's too tight (Toseland tested there a few years back with someone else, forget who). You going to try and run a 250hp-270hp sub 350lb bike around that track like the "Organizers" were proposing? haahhahahahha
Who's going to win this? The person that shows up with a half-way decent rider and a MotoGP bike that's who. Why even both saying you can run a Superbike, 250GP bike, 125GP, 600 sportbike, etc. Stupid. Think MotoCyszsz is going to roll out and do ANYTHING? That bike was slow 4 years ago and he dumped tons of cash into building/developing that bike.
This isn't like the car world where you can build a custom car easy and race it. With 6 different chassis builders and 12 different motors to drop in.
This thing is going to kick off in 6 months and have legitimate support, bikes, teams, and good riders? No way man. It's going to be 'good for the sport' to air this thing on TV with what will ultimately (IMO) be a farce?
Gimmick.
Last edited by a13x; 04-02-09 at 09:25 PM.
Boston --> San Diego
Three Things
1) I love roadracing in American. I don't blindly love the DMG/AMA. I'm actually extremely pissed off at them about something right now and if I'm including in the meeting with them this weekend I'm going to kill someone. So I'm taking myself out of that meeting.
2) The theory that 'DMG has tons of money and could just 'fix' the TV issue' is completely flawed. It's like thinking Daytona Sportbike is a 600 class. It just not reality. At bare minimum to 'fix' the TV issue was a 1-million dollar bill. If you think ANY business can just toss a unexpected $1,000,000 on the table you're crazy.
3) Know that SBKPlanet.com is admittedly anti-DMG. They even have had some legitimate blows and flare-ups recently. Anything you read on that site that's not a Press Release directly from a team (including headlines) is very anti-DMG biased. Just FYI.
Last edited by a13x; 04-02-09 at 09:28 PM.
Boston --> San Diego
I dunno know if this is anti-DMG, pro Moto Clash, or what:
http://superbikeplanet.com/2009/Apr/090402kaboom.htm
It will be interesting to see who shows up.
100% agreed this is a gimmick and as i stated I KNOW the racing is going to suck. it's a given with the "rules" in place! But... people will watch and that "should" be good for the sport, right? And yes, look at the attention its getting. A half assed press release and a crazy idea and its on every message board out there. How many message boards are talking about road atlanta right now??
(as a side note, i just want to point out to everyone i never mentioned the moto cyszszzzzz. biggest waste ever. i think we agree on that)
and the last point, i wouldnt go so far as to call it a farce. a gimmick? yes. farce? no. they are putting up a huge purse of money. sponsorships aside, how much is mladin going to pull down if he wins the championship in SB this year? the winner here gets a mil.
LRRS EX #165 (formerly)
13 coming out swinging tonight!!
1. Good. I'm glad to hear this. To be honest, at times I thought you had drank the Kool-Aid.
2. Your 'fix' for a million is a bit vague, but if the fix only costs a mil... Yes, I hope they could afford that. I don't think just 'any' business can throw that kind of money around, but DMG, I would hope they can. If they can't, nascar has big problems. On top of that, lets not call this "unexpected", in no way, shape, or form is this unexpected. They knew exactly what they were buying and they knew exactly what it would take to improve vs. maintain the stream of income. Their choice. If you want my opinion.... they are missing a huge opportunity. The poster boy and current champion of american road racing is sticking to the the boys on the world stage. Do you think one or two people in Europe have said, "where the fuck did this kid come from?"
3. Agreed.
LRRS EX #165 (formerly)
Yea. Heard about this at Fontana. Rumors are some 'real' teams are thinking about it but without a purse announced everyone right now is going 'uh... maybe'. Also how do you budget it? "Losing" the Miller round means every ASB Team just got some money back into their crushed budgets. DSB teams were never planning to go there, so they'd have to add money. Who gets the purse? Is it big enough to cover expenses for team and rider? Will there be good TV package to make it valuable to sponsors? Lot of things to think about.
There is no purse, there is no money. The point of this 'meeting' was to RAISE money to fund this! Hence: Farce.
and the last point, i wouldnt go so far as to call it a farce. a gimmick? yes. farce? no. they are putting up a huge purse of money. sponsorships aside, how much is mladin going to pull down if he wins the championship in SB this year? the winner here gets a mil.
Every message board talks about every 'big' piece of news to float across the Industry. Hacking's suspension. DMG take-over. Daytona results. Miller classes. Rookie's Cup Pullout. Etc. Especially one as hair-brained as this. Lot of things to discuss and debate. As we are currently proving.
BTW, Mladin is worth 48 million USD, that's straight from his mouth.
Not trying to be Debby Downer. We all want more money and attention on the sport. My whole job is to think about marketing motorcycle racing though and my gut / mind are going 'HA HA HA' in regards to this one, at this stage. That may change with more data. Just sharing my opinion that's all.
Last edited by a13x; 04-02-09 at 10:15 PM.
Boston --> San Diego
1) No, no Kool-Aid, just if I was in the position of DMG I would have made many of the same changes. I don't agree with the way some things have been done, and DMG has admitted they fucked up the delivery, but overall I agree with many of the rules and whatnots. It's not perfect and it like anything will need to be ironed out but I like it better than 2007 and 2008.
2) It costs 1 million dollars to bring the production truck out to all of the races. This truck is needed to feed every TV camera around the track into one location (the truck), process the footage, and send it back out to all of the viewing monitors around the race course (and ultimately TV Land).
This truck and LIVE TV were going Bye Bye before DMG took over. Speed looked at the numbers for AMA Racing and said 'this sucks, we're pulling LIVE coverage'. DMG took over and inherited a sport with a abysmal ratings. They tried to change SPEED's mind but ultimately could not. So we have a negotiation which is a Prime Time TV show. Perfect, No. Better than nothing, Yes.
Just because DMG is affiliated with the France family (and ultimately NASCAR) doesn't make them exempt from business rules. It's totally illogical to assume that a Business Owner is going to just 'give' 1 million dollars that wasn't budgeted to another aspect of his business 'just cause' the fans are mad. These being the same fans that railed against the old AMA, the old TV coverage, and about 10 of them tuned in to catch the action in 2008 (based on ratings).
Trust me, it sucks. I wish we had the races live at the track. I watch the bikes go by on the straight and wait 1:35 to watch them go down the straight again. Last year you could watch the whole race from Pit Road on the monitors. Now we watch a spreadsheet (live timing charts). Needless to say it's a bit tougher to host current and potential sponsors like this who come to the races and want to see what's going on... This is the hand that WE have created (the roadracing fans) and have to live with it.
Initial reports btw show AMA Prime Time's numbers are up compared to Sunday's Live Races and Tuesday's Races from 2008. Which honestly, I believe.
Fuck I have alot of work to catch up on tonight. 6:45am crew call!! FUCK!!! Damn NESR and good debates!
Last edited by a13x; 04-02-09 at 10:31 PM.
Boston --> San Diego
side note: the miller thing could be kind of cool.
okay, we'll have to see about the purse. like you say, your opinion can change with more data, mine as well.
yes every message board talks about big news, but there is a problem when 'big' news is a suspension over some f-bombs.
could care less what mladin is "worth". whats the ASB championship payout excluding sponsors?
well, i think we can still be friends, debby. i was just looking for more insight from your initial post. you see a big bag of fail, i see a kick in the ass.
LRRS EX #165 (formerly)
Agreed. I have a dirty bike to get ready for Southwick, 50 questions to queue up for PK on said dirty bike and then i need to get some sleep. I'll respond tomorrow.
LRRS EX #165 (formerly)
Well I also think it's a Big Bag of Fail because if someone said "Hey Alex here's 5 million bucks, throw a 1-of-a-Kind Roadracing Event that'd really stand apart from the current roadracing events" I would have come up with something better than this.
Actually I already have, since I've had conversation with people on a Event already, and it's better than this. So, my opinion is "these guys missed it".
Perhaps they'd hear my idea and say 'oh he sucks' but cie la vie!
Boston --> San Diego
another good write up on this event I was reading...
http://www.motorcycle.com/events/wor...ced-90224.html
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