Saturday Race 1 AM MW Superbike Crash in 1A

["Dangerous" Dan K]

I met Chris (palm bomb) this weekend. I truly believe that if he had ANY option, even if it meant eating shit himself, he'd have done it. To call people out from your chair for what they did on the track is bullshit.

DB, that's not pointed at you.

Tony D, I AM looking at you. Armchair quarterbacks can fuck off. I'm sure everyone on track did their best.

[OreoGaborio]

Chris, I think you should be ashamed of yourself for taking part in such an inherrently dangerous activity such as motorcycle racing.

WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!?!?!?!

PS, if it were me, my gotee would have levitated me and my bike over the rider... why didn't yours do that?

[SVRACER01]

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I was gonna say you guys should've shot the gap in the tires and I realized palms bike MADE the gap.



I think what people are forgetting, besides things are happening fast out there, but when you grab a bunch of brake the bike will stand up thus making you run wide. You can't exactly grab a bunch of brake to avoid an incident and counter act the forces of braking by using more input to go inside of it....that how end up on your head.

Everyone did a good job avoiding that.....except palm....you need more practice. Drive by my house a few times and ill throw a life size doll into the road in front of you.
If you dodge a doll you can dodge a racer.

[OreoGaborio]

Everyone did a good job avoiding that.....except palm....you need more practice. Drive by my house a few times and ill throw a life size doll into the road in front of you.
If you dodge a doll you can dodge a racer.

NOOO, MILEY!

[rolker]

If I was one of the 3 guys in the second pic above I would review the full series provided in post 12 as a learning tool. What seemed to happen on track in real time is not what I see in those photos. If all 3 stayed on line it would not have been as close a call for them.

Wish I could have this kind of photo evidence to review after a close call on the street and see if what I thought happened was indeed fact.

I see what you mean here and I agree, it does look like they could have made it by staying on the line. I believe that's a valid observation that can be made looking at static pictures with as much time to think over things as you want.

I think your second paragraph supports this view where yourself would like to be able to review street incidents or close calls so you can better understand why you reacted in a certain way, where in hindsight a different reaction might have been acceptable or even better.

I think the crux of the problem is an innocent observation understandably got misinterpreted as questioning how racers reacted while in the heat of the moment. Everybody did the best they could in my opinion and I don't think I would have reacted differently.

Understand you racers get pissy when anyone without numbers has something to say in the "Pit Area". Fine.

I just wanted to make sure everyone involved bothered to look at those linked photos. They seem informative.

I'll let you racers get back to complaining about paint getting in your way.

Well I for one didn't automatically become smarter when I received my license (Dumber? Probably.) I also know many non racers that are faster than me, so I'm not ready to discount anyone's opinion based solely on the fact that they don't hold a race license.

As long as we are all sensitive to each other's point of view, we should all, racers and non-racers, be able to have intelligent, adult conversations that may lead to interesting insights.

Now, let's all hold hands and sign Koumbaya!

That and I need a hug.

Didn't mean to pick on you, well actually I did, I didn't get to race either so I had to pick on someone else that didn't race to feel better...

[OreoGaborio]

Understand you racers get pissy when anyone without numbers has something to say in the "Pit Area". Fine.

I just wanted to make sure everyone involved bothered to look at those linked photos. They seem informative.

I'll let you racers get back to complaining about paint getting in your way.

I think their reaction has little to do with number plates and more to do with people not thinking before posting.

If we strip this thread and your reaction down to the essentials, someone on here was involved in a very scary and potentially serious accident that could have ended MUCH worse than it did... I'm not being melodramatic when I say that a lot of us here have unfortunatly seen fellow racers DIE or come very close to it from incidents like this one. But in the end it was a race incident that I believe was handled just fine by all riders involved.

Then you come in, effectively call him a liar by saying that the pictures paint a different story and go on to tell him what he and others should have done.

I fully understand your honerable intention and I agree that every accident has something to be learned... but unless you've run over someone on your bike or come close to it, as a lot of us have (myself included... and I appologize in advance if you also fit into that category), then you may want to think twice about the approach you take when telling us how to react in certain situations.

[butcher bergs]

Understand you racers get pissy when anyone without numbers has something to say in the "Pit Area". Fine.

I just wanted to make sure everyone involved bothered to look at those linked photos. They seem informative.

I'll let you racers get back to complaining about paint getting in your way.

Call me pissy til your heart's content and feel free to assume that it has anything to do with someone having or not having race numbers but unless you know exactly what it's like to go from 0% to 100% and fully push your own limits after not riding for the duration of the winter and do this on cold tires and a cold track with numerous other bikes around you, I'm not sure where you felt you had any input.

BTW; you can be smug about the line all you want. It further shows your lack of education on the matter.

["Dangerous" Dan K]

Rolker sucks.
playing bro, much love etc.

Pete (Oreo) said what I meant and was way less of a dick than me. What Oreo said is what I meant.

[rolker]

Rolker sucks.

Nice try, but Doc already has a successor...

[Pittenger5]

I'm going to have to disagree with you guys. I think it's useful to have other experienced racers join in a discussion of alternative scenarios to what did happen and think about the pros and cons of having reacted differently.

Of course, such a discussion should be in done in a tone that respects the fact that the people involved did the best they could at the time. I'm all for learning as much as I can from other people's incidents, because I won't be racing long enough to make all the mistakes myself!

This is my point. Palm Bomb excluded cause Im sure he had no choice, I THINK the other 3 couldve held the line and made it through the turn, once again, judging solely from pictures. Did they do the right thing in this situation? Probably, and once again, knowing them they did. But MAYBE in the future they could make the turn and stay out of the debris field. Next time there might be a bike or body in there that they cant see. I think making the turn is usually the safer bet being that bikes and bodies tend to slide off the racing line. All I'm saying. Im glad everyones alright and it worked out well, but use it as a learning tool for next time.

[Palm Bomb]

Chris, I think you should be ashamed of yourself for taking part in such an inherrently dangerous activity such as motorcycle racing.

WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!?!?!?!

PS, if it were me, my gotee would have levitated me and my bike over the rider... why didn't yours do that?

It's at max capacity holding my chin roll back so my speech isn't interrupted...no reserve left levitate

[Palm Bomb]

and...look at this...even just skipping it starts to add have fast the whole thing happened. speed this up to real time (a few seconds from wash out to bodies coming to a rest).

other option would have been to put it down, but this is a sucky option because I'd be throwing a 400lbs fuck you at the guy on the ground. just saying...i'm not scared to hit the pavement especially if it means saving someone a trip to the hospital.

YouTube - Chris Crash

[Palm Bomb]

fuck, someone fix it for me

["Dangerous" Dan K]

Palm,

I'd like to talk to you for a sec. # deleted

I've got a swift punt in the wedding tackle for anyone that says anything other than "he did all he could and it was a racing incident".

[Palm Bomb]

sure, gimme a little bit. if i don't call the woman back shortly she's gonna kick my ass LOL

[Kurlon]

I've got a swift punt in the wedding tackle for anyone that says anything other than "he did all he could and it was a racing incident".

Too easy... no way you're driving up to ME just to cunt punt me anyways, damn empty threats.

[rolker]

That video does indeed reinforce that these riders did indeed do what any reasonable racer would do. It would take robots that don't care about self preservation or the welfare of others to carry on with the turn without flinching.

["Dangerous" Dan K]

Too easy... no way you're driving up to ME just to cunt punt me anyways, damn empty threats.

I didn't say when. See you next time you visit my new home in NH

[OreoGaborio]

That video does indeed reinforce that these riders did indeed do what any reasonable racer would do. It would take robots that don't care about self preservation or the welfare of others to carry on with the turn without flinching.

Absolutely... it's definitely not easy, that's for sure. I've had a fair number of people crash directly in front of me and even INTO me and it takes every fiber of my being to keep doing exactly what I was doing which, in most cases, is usually the best reaction. But I don't think I've ever NOT reacted to a degree in some way or another, be it slightly standing up the bike, applying the brakes, chopping the throttle, etc.

That right there is probably one of the hardest things to do in racing.

[PainfullySlow]

thats just some scary shit there. It is super easy to look back with 20/20 vision and say "woulda, coulda, shoulda" but I am very happy that the riders took the paths they did, simply because this could have ended a LOT worse than it did. Kudos to the riders that kept it upright and off of the downed men.

The one thing that I have learned from this incident is that I really need to start wearing chest armor in addition to my back protector...

[Io-bot]

This is my point. Palm Bomb excluded cause Im sure he had no choice, I THINK the other 3 couldve held the line and made it through the turn, once again, judging solely from pictures. Did they do the right thing in this situation? Probably, and once again, knowing them they did. But MAYBE in the future they could make the turn and stay out of the debris field. Next time there might be a bike or body in there that they cant see. I think making the turn is usually the safer bet being that bikes and bodies tend to slide off the racing line. All I'm saying. Im glad everyones alright and it worked out well, but use it as a learning tool for next time.

I THINK that you are a fucking retard for posting something like this and should shut the fuck up with you e-csi pretend skills!

[OreoGaborio]

I THINK that you are a fucking retard for posting something like this and should shut the fuck up with you e-csi pretend skills!

And I think you're over reacting and need to chill the fuck out. Just cuz one of your boys was involved in an accident similar to yours last year doesn't mean Richie is wrong. Grow a pair and deal with the feedback.

If memory serves me right, Richie's been there and knows what it's like to see a rider lying on the ground in front of him. And I think he's right; it's quite possible that the other guys that were behind the incident might have remained on line if their survival instincts didn't take over. Like I said, it's not easy to overcome that instinctual reaction. Would I have done what they did if I were in their place? Possibly... but I also would have done my best to remain on line.

[Io-bot]

I'm not backing my boy pete, but a fellow racer, and racers. We don't know why they went wide or anything. Let's not jump in and say yeah, sure, stay on your line and just avoid it all. We don't know if someone on the inside checked up, stood up because they had to or anything else. Playing e-csi is pretty much pointless when the end result insults the other 3 riders and their abilities to race and do the "right" thing. It is what it is.

[Pittenger5]

Yeah, its such a shame that I know so little about racing I cant offer a little constructive criticism that might help someone out in the future. I suppose Ill just change my screen name to Monday Morning QB.

[OreoGaborio]

I'm not backing my boy pete, but a fellow racer, and racers. We don't know why they went wide or anything. Let's not jump in and say yeah, sure, stay on your line and just avoid it all. We don't know if someone on the inside checked up, stood up because they had to or anything else. Playing e-csi is pretty much pointless when the end result insults the other 3 riders and their abilities to race and do the "right" thing. It is what it is.

That's great, but guess what... as a general rule, if someone crashes in front of you, they're going to "fall out of orbit" and your best course of action is almost always to do nothing different but STAY ON LINE and that's all Richie is saying from what I can see. If you want to bitch him out and call him names, by all means, go right ahead and throw a temper tantrum like a little child... but you'd be ignoring some pretty important advice.