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    Schumacher/GoPro...Thank god the officials are smarter than I am...

    ...and have rules in place to protect me...even when I'm in pre-grid thinking about how stupid a certain rule is with my head in some guys lap as he tries to remove the GoPro that's safety wired onto my helmet....


    Michael Schumacher's Ski Accident Brain Injury Said to Be Caused by his GoPro Helmet Cam

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    Re: Schumacher/GoPro...Thank god the officials are smarter than I am...

    So the helmet supposedly shattered because of the gopro and they blame the gopro, not the quality of the helmet???

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    Re: Schumacher/GoPro...Thank god the officials are smarter than I am...

    Cliff's Notes:

    The helmet cam is still a question, not a certainty, in Shumacher's brain injuries

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    Re: Schumacher/GoPro...Thank god the officials are smarter than I am...

    Quote Originally Posted by rolker View Post
    So the helmet supposedly shattered because of the gopro and they blame the gopro, not the quality of the helmet???
    If the cam was adhesively stuck on with that crazy 3m stuff the normal GoPro mounts use, I can see the GoPro acting as a lever causing an initial tear in the shell ('cause that 3m stuff will NOT let go without a fight) that chains into a worse than normal shell failure allowing for more energy reaching the skull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    If the cam was adhesively stuck on with that crazy 3m stuff the normal GoPro mounts use, I can see the GoPro acting as a lever causing an initial tear in the shell ('cause that 3m stuff will NOT let go without a fight) that chains into a worse than normal shell failure allowing for more energy reaching the skull.
    Plausible I guess...

    Even with infinitely sticky tape, I would hope the GoPro mount side of things would break before causing significant damage to the shell.

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    Re: Schumacher/GoPro...Thank god the officials are smarter than I am...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    If the cam was adhesively stuck on with that crazy 3m stuff the normal GoPro mounts use, I can see the GoPro acting as a lever causing an initial tear in the shell ('cause that 3m stuff will NOT let go without a fight) that chains into a worse than normal shell failure allowing for more energy reaching the skull.
    I think it was less acting like a lever, and more acting like a rock (i.e. the impact was more direct than glancing, forcing the mount INTO the helmet, not OFF the helmet). Again, pure speculation, but that was the way I read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolker View Post
    So the helmet supposedly shattered because of the gopro and they blame the gopro, not the quality of the helmet???
    Well, it was a snowboarding helmet. I have one, it seems to be somewhere between the sturdiness of a bicycle helmet and a motorsports helmet. I could see the GoPro getting between the helmet and whatever he hit and causing more damage than there would have been otherwise.

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    Jesus, I cant even get a gopro to stay on the bike under normal circumstances. How it stayed on long enough to do damage astounds me.

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    If a $50 camera case is stronger than a $200 helmet.... Also what kind of angle could he possibly hit at where the camera would break the helmet? Unless he got piledriven into the tree the camera would just fly off

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    Re: Schumacher/GoPro...Thank god the officials are smarter than I am...

    Sounds like a convenient way to point blame...

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    Re: Schumacher/GoPro...Thank god the officials are smarter than I am...

    when the title is bold enough to say "...brain injury said to be caused by his GoPro helmet camera" ... I would expect to hear about how and why

    the research group didn't conclude anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by breakdirt916 View Post
    when the title is bold enough to say "...brain injury said to be caused by his GoPro helmet camera" ... I would expect to hear about how and why

    the research group didn't conclude anything

    Yes they did....they concluded that they'd get more pay-per-click ad revenue with a catchy title. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougie View Post
    If a $50 camera case is stronger than a $200 helmet.... Also what kind of angle could he possibly hit at where the camera would break the helmet? Unless he got piledriven into the tree the camera would just fly off
    Hmmm...by that logic, a $20 sledgehammer would be no match for my $600 Arai.....and the $10,000 section of air fence was a piece of crap because my $3,000 race bike totally thrashed it. (I have no idea what an airfence actually costs, just guessing)

    I'll stop being cheeky, I get your point, but what people have got to remember is that a helmet by design will compress / deform / even break a little bit to absorb the impact (of a blunt object). A snowboarding helmet, especially, is more made up of foam with a fairly thin plastic shell.

    A gopro case, on the other hand, is filled by a camera, which isn't a hollow object. So if a 2" camera gets totally crushed, it becomes an object that is, let's say 1.5" taller than whatever object he ran into. It would not necessarily be blunt, so it could do a lot of damage.

    You run the same risk just hitting a branch / stick / rock with one of those helmets, the important thing to think about is that by mounting a camera on your helmet, you're really increasing the chance that object is going to wind up between you and anything that your head hits.

    I used to mount my gopro on my helmet when snowboarding. I'll definitely be reconsidering that, even if that turns out to not be what caused the problem in this particular case.

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    Re: Schumacher/GoPro...Thank god the officials are smarter than I am...

    The claim was made by French journalist Jean-Louis Moncet...
    I stopped reading after seeing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX-12R View Post
    I stopped reading after seeing this.
    Clearly the leading expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittenger5 View Post
    Jesus, I cant even get a gopro to stay on the bike under normal circumstances. How it stayed on long enough to do damage astounds me.
    Woodcraft is now selling these, and they work very well. You can get them as a kit that mounts on your mirror mounts or one with an 8mm or 10mm stud to thread in somewhere else.

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    Adding anything to a helmet designed to shed energy is a bad idea. That means inside and outside - no way around it.

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    I can see the post focusing the energy onto a smaller point in the helmet, but what if I hit a pointy rock? I'm pretty sure smashing his head into a rock is what caused the brain injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    I can see the post focusing the energy onto a smaller point in the helmet, but what if I hit a pointy rock? I'm pretty sure smashing his head into a rock is what caused the brain injury.
    The article is making assumptions just like you, not enough info to form an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsolete View Post
    I can see the post focusing the energy onto a smaller point in the helmet, but what if I hit a pointy rock? I'm pretty sure smashing his head into a rock is what caused the brain injury.
    I touched on this in an earlier post - it's probably right that it is no worse than hitting a pointy rock.... The chance of that happening is the combination of the probabilities of several things. But if you attach the pointy rock (camera) to your helmet, you have just made the probability of a rock being in that spot = 1.

    Getting hit by an airplane when you're standing in your back yard is a freak accident, the combination of lots of little bits of bad luck. Getting hit by a plane when you're standing on a runway is all but guaranteed.

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    right.. so mounting anything to the helmet may not be a good idea.. i just cant stand how its is written in an attempt to blame gopro...

    its not the camera its the operator..
    id assume now that someone might sue gopro.. not sure how other countries do it but here, i would not be surprised if it happen and then made it into our judicial system.

    like when someone gets hurt breaking into your house and then sues you for an unsafe env...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdovego View Post
    The article is making assumptions just like you, not enough info to form an opinion.
    What assumption? That smashing his head against a rock caused a brain injury?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdovego View Post
    Adding anything to a helmet designed to shed energy is a bad idea. That means inside and outside - no way around it.
    Eject system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Eject system?
    Notice how I didn't open that can of worms? My statement is from a very informed point of view (former helmet importer).

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