Wrist trouble during racing - throttle swap, superbike tail, etc?

[Gecko]

Has anyone recommended rehabbing your wrist? Fix that shit.

Pfft ... rehab ( ) ... all he needs is a roll of duct tape to fix that shit....

[Kitt]

I was just coming in to make bad jokes, then saw it was due to injury/surgery. Hope you figure it out, sounds like you're on the right track to resolving... Carry on.

[CBR929RE]

I don't think so ... but its hard for me to explain why, except to say that it has to do with the oval shape of the reel. Where the first part of the reel profile is similar to the stock throttle to like 30% opening (so mid corner throttle control isn't too sensitive), then the reel gets larger and the throttle changes to the fast profile taking less twist to reach wot. Someone drew a good picture of it, and if I can find the damn thing I'll post it.

Hopefully not mid-corner you wouldn't.

I look at it from a different perspective ... all things being equal, if I can get the same result without changing cables ... how is that not a good thing?

Thanks Christian, Euroturn was another option, but had dismissed early b/c I thought they were pricey compared to the MP. Did you get yours from Yoyo?

yeah if your cables are fine and you don't want to replace them there's nothing wrong with not wanting to change them.

I had the EuroRacing throttle before and now the MP. had to replace the cables a couple of times with the ER because they always seem to grind the metal elbow in a crash. I never wore through but the cable would fray inside. The MP protects them a lot more. an the ER you have to readjust the cables when doing reel swaps. I can't remember if you have enough adjustment up top or not but if you gotta get to the bottom for it then its a pain in the ass. the MP doesn't require any cable adjustment when swapping.

the ER comes to like $190 on yoyodyne but I think that's wrong and the cables are actually included in the kit for under $140. for the same money the MP gives you a better system, 4 reels instead of 3 and comes with grips. and the MP cables have toolless adjusters so there's virtually no chance of breaking them like I did on the ER cables one time. the only downside of the MP is it takes up slightly more room on the bar but it shouldn't be a problem for anyone.

[CEO]

Thanks for the ideas everyone. Long-winded replies coming...

I think some grip material on your leathers, or placed on the bike where your knees want to be would help take some load off. I'm not going to pretend to be knowledgeable enough on body position at your speed to know if your tail change idea will hurt or help, I also can't imagine less than a 1/5th turn throttle on a middleweight.

What did you have for surgery on your wrist, and are you still doing the post surgery exercises? A second stint of PT might help restore range of motion as well as build up more endurance/tolerance for ya?

I want to try messing around with the tank and seat some more for sure, I'm just not sure how best to do it.

I had a perilunate dislocation followed by surgery to reattach all the ligaments in the wrist, followed by several months of PT. After that I haven't really done much except normal everyday living. I might be able to gain a little ROM back with stretches/exercises but not a ton. It's a permanent ROM loss. I do pushups on my fists now, and will do so for the rest of my life.

If you need to talk to a wrist/hand specialist, PM me. I have had great luck with a guy who is out of the New England Baptist. He's worked on both mine and my wife's wrists.

I actually had my surgery there. I could always re-engage with the Doc just to talk to him about it. I doubt he'd be able to tell me much though to be honest. It is what it is at this point besides doing some stretching it's not going to change.

go with the new throttle. the MP is the sweetest quick turn out there.

the superbike tail might actually raise the seat height. I think mine is slightly higher now with it.

So you're using the second-fastest cam right? What does that equate to in fraction of a turn? I wonder if that's quicker than the stock r6 one or not. Maybe I'd even have to go with the fastest. I'd def need to try this out at a TD first haha

Been thinking about this same thing. No wrist problem here, but I often have to adjust my hand to go to WOT on my '08 R6. There are a number of people who have this issue. Had the same issue on my '03 R3 and went with a 1/4 turn. For me, night and day. The MP kit seems to allow for much more adjust ability to suit, but I'm also considering the Graves throttle tube (pricey, but you don't have to change the cables). I'll probably have something on for the next round....

I'm not so sure that's the way you want to go. Had same issue w/ my '06 R6 ... have issues with my shoulders ... to much pressure on the arms/shoulders when braking. Had a SB tail and someone suggested going with a SS tail. It helped (but the eventual shoulder surgery helped even more ). Garage-mate has an '09 R6. Middle of last year he and I were discussing this same issue, except he had a SB tail & pad. He said the same thing ... he wanted to get a little lower in the seat and more planted. He asked if he could try my spare SS seat and tail. He loves it an now won't give me my SS tail back!! If its the way you want to go, maybe he'd let you try (or even buy) his SB tail.

What rearsets you running?

I'm def leaning towards the MP setup now.

Interesting about the SB vs SS tail, I wouldn't have thought that. If anything maybe the SB seat jsut plain has more grip though compared to the stock cushiony seat. I dunno. I'd def like to try/checkout his SB tail like you mentioned if that's OK. Thanks!

I have the woodcraft rearsets. I wonder if adjustables and moving it around more would help at all. I'm not realy sure where I would need to move them. I do know I'm only 5'8" so the 1" up and 1" back of the woodcrafts might be better for someone around 5"10-11 and maybe I could raise them even more, I dunno.

Motion Pro throttle for sure. We put one on JRO's bike since she had wasn't getting WFO due to her small hands/wrist movement. She's on the 2nd of 4 adjustments, with 1 being the shortest throw. We started with #3 but that was still too much. Our #1 plate holder here, on a SBK, runs the #1 setting! His throttle is like a lightswitch!

Maybe experiment with seat foam at the back of the gas tank? Some of the shorter riders in the pro racing world do that.

MP decision is now made, basically now that I'm further down the thread... haha. I just wonder how the #2 setting compares to my stock 06 R6 throttle.

The seat foam is a good idea... getting me a little further back from the tank and getting some more grip on there I think might help...? Do you have any examples/photos of this?

Try repositioning the stop grip before ya spend the money on a SB tail?

The stomp grip on the tank is actually too high for me to get good grip against with my thighs... like I said my inseam is fairly short so even on the balls of my feet on the pegs I can't really brace/hook my thigh against that indent/shelf that's built into the tank for that purpose. Then the part of the stomp grip that's on that plastic cover, well, everyone knows those plastic pieces are brittle and break off of almost every r6 out there. I have a small piece of stompgrip on there but I don't think it's doing much.

Chris, the 06 R6 throttles are 1/6 turn. The next step down you could get could probably be 1/8.

Hmm ok so 1/6... I wonder how the MP reels compare.

Quick turn throttles have improved every single bike I have ever ridden that had one. Big bike, little bike, whatever. THey all need it IMO (except actual racebikes (GP), they already have them). Wow, that was a double aside!

Sounds good... I just am a little worried because I am already pretty good at throttle modulation and I am usually great on the starts... so I don't want to lose/ruin that! haha

Chris and John. I run a euroturn throttle on my r6. You are both welcome to try it to see if you like it.

I'll check it out. I do like the idea of the adjustability of the MP one though that's all. How different is this from the stock one? Or I guess you don't know since the bike came with it...

I was just coming in to make bad jokes, then saw it was due to injury/surgery. Hope you figure it out, sounds like you're on the right track to resolving... Carry on.

Yeah this happened May 2011... that's why I didn't race in 2011. Go ahead and make some bad jokes though, this is NESR! haha

[CBR929RE]

you can check out my throttle next round. I'm not sure the fraction number of it. I think the quickest one is supposed to be 1/8 so its just a little slower. if you get it before the next round put it on and just use the one closest to stock for now and after first practice you can change it out if you want. its stupid easy to change them.

[JohnnyV]

Chris, for grip on the leathers, it couldn't really hurt to give this a shot. I use it for competition high-power shooting, as do many others on parts of my leather shooting coat for grip. The drawback is it leaves a residue, but they also sell a residue cleaner that works well. You could try spraying some directly on the inside thighs of your leathers. http://www.creedmoorsports.com/shop/...cat=251&page=1

[csmutty]

you can check out my throttle next round. I'm not sure the fraction number of it. I think the quickest one is supposed to be 1/8 so its just a little slower. if you get it before the next round put it on and just use the one closest to stock for now and after first practice you can change it out if you want. its stupid easy to change them.

Yeah mine came with the quickest cam in it when I got it. I put the slowest one in ASAP and am still running it without issue.

[Gecko]

Been thinking about this same thing. No wrist problem here, but I often have to adjust my hand to go to WOT on my '08 R6. There are a number of people who have this issue. Had the same issue on my '03 R3 and went with a 1/4 turn. For me, night and day. The MP kit seems to allow for much more adjust ability to suit, but I'm also considering the Graves throttle tube (pricey, but you don't have to change the cables). I'll probably have something on for the next round....


I'm not so sure that's the way you want to go. Had same issue w/ my '06 R6 ... have issues with my shoulders ... to much pressure on the arms/shoulders when braking. Had a SB tail and someone suggested going with a SS tail. It helped (but the eventual shoulder surgery helped even more ). Garage-mate has an '09 R6. Middle of last year he and I were discussing this same issue, except he had a SB tail & pad. He said the same thing ... he wanted to get a little lower in the seat and more planted. He asked if he could try my spare SS seat and tail. He loves it an now won't give me my SS tail back!! If its the way you want to go, maybe he'd let you try (or even buy) his SB tail.

What rearsets you running?

I'm def leaning towards the MP setup now.

Interesting about the SB vs SS tail, I wouldn't have thought that. If anything maybe the SB seat jsut plain has more grip though compared to the stock cushiony seat. I dunno. I'd def like to try/checkout his SB tail like you mentioned if that's OK. Thanks!

I have the woodcraft rearsets. I wonder if adjustables and moving it around more would help at all. I'm not realy sure where I would need to move them. I do know I'm only 5'8" so the 1" up and 1" back of the woodcrafts might be better for someone around 5"10-11 and maybe I could raise them even more, I dunno.

I'll ask him about the sb tail and see if he's willing to let you try it out for the next round.

I've always used Vortex adjustable rearsets. With the Woodcraft, unfortunately, one position doesn't fit all. Being 6'3"-ish and a 36" inseam, the adjustability of the Vortex allow me to position my legs to fit on the R6 and be able to ride comfortably and (most important) effectively. I would definitely suggest you try a set with the issues you are having. Over the years I've always found the Vortex rearsets to be tough, crashable and very amendable to repairs (plus you can also buy specific pieces of the rearset if they've broken). Don't get me wrong, I'd love to support Woodcraft ... but only if they made their rearsets adjustable.

[Slowpoke387]

I think the best remedy would be to slow down on the starts to relieve the pressure...

[CEO]

you can check out my throttle next round. I'm not sure the fraction number of it. I think the quickest one is supposed to be 1/8 so its just a little slower. if you get it before the next round put it on and just use the one closest to stock for now and after first practice you can change it out if you want. its stupid easy to change them.

Hmm OK. In fact if it's that easy to change maybe we can swap the cam out on yours so I can feel what the fastest one is like? That would be cool, if you could bring all the cams.

Chris, for grip on the leathers, it couldn't really hurt to give this a shot. I use it for competition high-power shooting, as do many others on parts of my leather shooting coat for grip. The drawback is it leaves a residue, but they also sell a residue cleaner that works well. You could try spraying some directly on the inside thighs of your leathers. http://www.creedmoorsports.com/shop/...cat=251&page=1

That's an interesting idea... I'd like to avoid fucking up my leathers if possible though. Adding rubber pad or seat pad or something to the bike would be preferable.

Yeah mine came with the quickest cam in it when I got it. I put the slowest one in ASAP and am still running it without issue.

OK, but your setup is the yoyo/ER one right? I assume it has different cams than the MP setup.

I'll ask him about the sb tail and see if he's willing to let you try it out for the next round.

I've always used Vortex adjustable rearsets. With the Woodcraft, unfortunately, one position doesn't fit all. Being 6'3"-ish and a 36" inseam, the adjustability of the Vortex allow me to position my legs to fit on the R6 and be able to ride comfortably and (most important) effectively. I would definitely suggest you try a set with the issues you are having. Over the years I've always found the Vortex rearsets to be tough, crashable and very amendable to repairs (plus you can also buy specific pieces of the rearset if they've broken). Don't get me wrong, I'd love to support Woodcraft ... but only if they made their rearsets adjustable.

Cool thanks.

I hear ya on the rearsets. I guess I could try them... a 400 dollar investment. Not to mention I prefer to support woodcraft. I dunno. Maybe I could just make an offset bracket to move the woodcrafts up and/or back some more. Probably much cheaper to do that.

I think the best remedy would be to slow down on the starts to relieve the pressure...

Oh sure good idea

[Pigman]

I have a few Motoion pro cams and yoyo ones........I will bring them for ya

[csmutty]

Hmm OK. In fact if it's that easy to change maybe we can swap the cam out on yours so I can feel what the fastest one is like? That would be cool, if you could bring all the cams.

That's an interesting idea... I'd like to avoid fucking up my leathers if possible though. Adding rubber pad or seat pad or something to the bike would be preferable.

OK, but your setup is the yoyo/ER one right? I assume it has different cams than the MP setup.

Cool thanks.

I hear ya on the rearsets. I guess I could try them... a 400 dollar investment. Not to mention I prefer to support woodcraft. I dunno. Maybe I could just make an offset bracket to move the woodcrafts up and/or back some more. Probably much cheaper to do that.

Oh sure good idea

I would assume still with the MP or EU the cams would be sort of the same. Remember...Brett is on a CBR. Throttle was super touchy on the R6 for me with the fast cam in it. Was super hard to be any sort of smooth. See if you like it though.

[Jim]

are you using stomp grip on your tank?
might help you get better grip with your legs and less pressure on your wrist.

but i like the slowing down idea.

[CBR929RE]

Hmm OK. In fact if it's that easy to change maybe we can swap the cam out on yours so I can feel what the fastest one is like? That would be cool, if you could bring all the cams.

yup I'll have them all with me. friday practice last weekend I changed them a couple of times.

I have a few Motoion pro cams and yoyo ones........I will bring them for ya

how does that help when he doesn't have either one yet?

I would assume still with the MP or EU the cams would be sort of the same. Remember...Brett is on a CBR. Throttle was super touchy on the R6 for me with the fast cam in it. Was super hard to be any sort of smooth. See if you like it though.

well I'm not really sure on the fraction numbers on any of them but the ER one has 3 cams and MP has 4 so best case 3 of them are the same. he's only looking to see how far the grip turns right now so it doesn't matter what bike its on.