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    Re: No bueno!! Subaru Specialties (Scott Dana Boyd)

    So I shouldn't call that guy for work on the new STI?

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    flagged - the last one is already removed.

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    So I shouldn't call that guy for work on the new STI?
    I mean, he does wave the core charge!

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    Re: No bueno!! Subaru Specialties (Scott Dana Boyd)

    Has anyone messaged him fucking with him?

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    Re: No bueno!! Subaru Specialties (Scott Dana Boyd)

    Sooooo...... I know I should consider the source... but can you just replace the head gaskets with aftermarket ones and that resolves the 2.5 issue?

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    Re: No bueno!! Subaru Specialties (Scott Dana Boyd)

    No.

    You will want to check the heads for warping or you risk another head gasket failure

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    Re: No bueno!! Subaru Specialties (Scott Dana Boyd)

    Well, at least he's consistent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by butcher bergs View Post
    No.

    You will want to check the heads for warping or you risk another head gasket failure
    So my mechanic said the 2.5 engines head gaskets fail between 80-130 usually, and the problem is when they start to go they still run fine so damage is done driving with it like that.

    Sooo do you just replace them early like every 70k, or buy one with 60k or less and just replace the head gasket with an aftermarket one and treat it like you should be able to treat a jap car?

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    Re: No bueno!! Subaru Specialties (Scott Dana Boyd)

    I don't know, but I bought a 150k full warranty on the STI for this very reason. We fully intend to drive it like we stole it until something fails. The shortblock was just replaced 10k miles ago for the ringland update, so it should be 70-100k before we find out. At that time, we will have the warranty to lay back on. Seemed like a no brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post
    So my mechanic said the 2.5 engines head gaskets fail between 80-130 usually, and the problem is when they start to go they still run fine so damage is done driving with it like that.

    Sooo do you just replace them early like every 70k, or buy one with 60k or less and just replace the head gasket with an aftermarket one and treat it like you should be able to treat a jap car?
    The failures come down to a few things, IMO. First was a design issue on the original gaskets offered by Subaru. Couple that with the general lack of maintenance on the part of the owners and the original gaskets would fail.

    Once the warranty repairs arrive, I'm guessing repair shops and dealerships alike would not check the heads and would simply install more gaskets. Well, if the heads are warped, it will be a matter of time until another failure happens.

    I've owned several of the N/A Subaru engines and have never had a head gasket fail. This includes the 2009 Legacy i that went 200k on the original engine/ gaskets, etc.


    Paul - on the STi, air/ oil separator is what you want. Headgaskets aren't the issue on the STi....at least not in my opinion.

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    Re: No bueno!! Subaru Specialties (Scott Dana Boyd)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    I don't know, but I bought a 150k full warranty on the STI for this very reason. We fully intend to drive it like we stole it until something fails. The shortblock was just replaced 10k miles ago for the ringland update, so it should be 70-100k before we find out. At that time, we will have the warranty to lay back on. Seemed like a no brainer.
    Quote Originally Posted by butcher bergs View Post
    The failures come down to a few things, IMO. First was a design issue on the original gaskets offered by Subaru. Couple that with the general lack of maintenance on the part of the owners and the original gaskets would fail.

    Once the warranty repairs arrive, I'm guessing repair shops and dealerships alike would not check the heads and would simply install more gaskets. Well, if the heads are warped, it will be a matter of time until another failure happens.

    I've owned several of the N/A Subaru engines and have never had a head gasket fail. This includes the 2009 Legacy i that went 200k on the original engine/ gaskets, etc.


    Paul - on the STi, air/ oil separator is what you want. Headgaskets aren't the issue on the STi....at least not in my opinion.
    I'm not 100% versed on the STI 2.5 motor but I thought the head gasket issue was with the NA 2.5L motor but did not affect the STI powertrains. Pretty sure there are some on here that are, were, or know people who are Subaru Techs that might have the inside info on this stuff

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    Re: No bueno!! Subaru Specialties (Scott Dana Boyd)

    Yeah. It was more the ringland issue with these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls25rs View Post
    I'm not 100% versed on the STI 2.5 motor but I thought the head gasket issue was with the NA 2.5L motor but did not affect the STI powertrains. Pretty sure there are some on here that are, were, or know people who are Subaru Techs that might have the inside info on this stuff
    The EJ25D, 251, 252 & 253 were all known to have head gasket issues to some degree. I've owned cars with the 252 and 253...again, no issues.

    The EJ255 and 257 only had head gasket "issues" when people decided to leave the OEM head studs installed but still crank up the boost, which resulted in lifting the heads off the block.

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    Think all those ads are now flagged?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer View Post
    So my mechanic said the 2.5 engines head gaskets fail between 80-130 usually, and the problem is when they start to go they still run fine so damage is done driving with it like that.

    Sooo do you just replace them early like every 70k, or buy one with 60k or less and just replace the head gasket with an aftermarket one and treat it like you should be able to treat a jap car?
    When we had two ‘97’s we started hearing about this problem.

    Combustion products will show up in the coolant first. You can have it tested, or what we did was to periodically check the color in the overflow tank. When it changed, we had the head gaskets changed and the heads did require some work. There is some other maintenance

    That was at 140,000 miles. We sold that car to a relative with 189,000, who traded it in with 245,000 (and we believe it was driven to 289,000). Five of eight friends with late 90’s OBW’s also had head gaskets changed or had failures.

    We liked the vehicle but not that maintenance expense so in 2006 we bought a new 3.0R. The sixes (and turbos) don’t have any unusual head gasket problems. They also had the far more sophisticated VTD AWD system and five speed auto. We are still driving that with 239,000 miles.

    In 2016 we bought a 2014 3.6R. That was the last year with VTD and the 5EAT. 2015+ has CVT (or their “HD” CVT for the 3.6R) and no longer has the planetary center differential of the VTD. So it’s probably the last Subaru we buy. CVT mpg gains are clear but Im still skeptical they last as long as conventional autos, and are more expensive to repair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Think all those ads are now flagged?
    When we had two ‘97’s we started hearing about this problem.

    Combustion products will show up in the coolant first. You can have it tested, or what we did was to periodically check the color in the overflow tank. When it changed, we had the head gaskets changed and the heads did require some work. There is some other maintenance

    That was at 140,000 miles. We sold that car to a relative with 189,000, who traded it in with 245,000 (and we believe it was driven to 289,000). Five of eight friends with late 90’s OBW’s also had head gaskets changed or had failures.

    We liked the vehicle but not that maintenance expense so in 2006 we bought a new 3.0R. The sixes (and turbos) don’t have any unusual head gasket problems. They also had the far more sophisticated VTD AWD system and five speed auto. We are still driving that with 239,000 miles.

    In 2016 we bought a 2014 3.6R. That was the last year with VTD and the 5EAT. 2015+ has CVT (or their “HD” CVT for the 3.6R) and no longer has the planetary center differential of the VTD. So it’s probably the last Subaru we buy. CVT mpg gains are clear but Im still skeptical they last as long as conventional autos, and are more expensive to repair.
    If only Toyota or Honda would implement an awd system to rival Subaru’s, this would be a non issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garandman View Post
    Think all those ads are now flagged?
    As of today, certainly.

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