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I haven't slept at all last night. Been awake, tossing and turning...my husband and I are furious. I'm debating what I should do today about something that happened yesterday with my youngest daughter, she is 9 years old.
Yesterday, my daughter was playing outside on our front lawn, chasing a little chipmunk, trying to find his hide-out and feed him "cheetos"...she was laying down on her stomach along the bushes edge that separate our lawn from my neighbor's lawn, looking for the little thing. In the bushes, there is a big gap (hole) that was created by my neighbor's dog a few years ago (before she finally decided to shorten her leash). My daughter was laying down on her stomach at this spot, when my neighbor was standing in her own driveway right on the other side of the edge, talking to a client. As soon as her client turned and left, my neighbor grabbed a handful of rocks from her driveway (it's all rocks, not paved) and she threw them all at my daughter. The rocks landed a couple feet from her face. My oldest daughter of 14 yrs old was also outside with her sister, she came back inside with her.
My daughter came rushing inside, crying and scared. She told me what happened. At first, I was so shocked by her story, my husband and I actually doubted her. I went outside and stood near the street for about 10 minutes, waiting and hoping my neighbor would come out (I will NOT set foot on her property so she can attack me in any way). She finally came out, getting ready to leave in her suv. I looked at her and called her by her name...she saw me and before I could even say a word, started yelling and fuming at me, saying that my daughter was "eves-dropping on a private conversation she was having with a client". I told her "So you justified throwing rocks at her??!!". I also told her that my daughter was playing on OUR lawn, OUR property and that she had every right to be anywhere she wanted to, also told her she was playing with a chipmunk, she couldn't care less about some business related conversation. Told her that as a grown-up woman, she acted less mature than a 5 years old. Which mature adult goes and throw rocks at a little kid just for spite? Had it been my husband on the other side of the edge trimming bushes and hearing her conversation, would she have thrown rocks at him? I don't think so...
She then threw her purse on the ground, turned around to grab a handful of rocks (I pulled back, thinking she was going to throw rocks at me) but she threw the rocks towards the hole where my daughter was laying down earlier, to show me what she did, yelling that the rocks didn't hit her face. I asked her "Since when can someone judge the exact speed and distance a thrown object will travel before it hits someone's face?" She busted out of her driveway telling me "Don't fuck with me right now"...I answered her "You just fucked with my child, not the other way around" and proceeded to advise her that she better lay off her stupid shit and if she ever hurt one of my kids, she'd be in a world of pain having us sueing her ass in court. About 15 minutes later, I was at the police station to report the incident. The cops told me I did the right thing by keeping this from escalating and that they would go and talk to her...she was not home when they came by...
So my dilemma this morning...I spoke to one of NESR resident's attorney yesterday evening. I was not aware that what she did was considered "assault". I always thought the word meant that you actually hit/punch/attacked someone...(if I translate it from french...). He told me that assault here means there is no physical contact, but there is an intent to scare, intimidate and hurt someone. And since she used rocks to throw at my daughter...I read it could also go as far as being considered assault with dangerous weapon. So he advised me to go back see the cops today and press charges and ask for a possible restraining order against her. "Set an exemple, so she doesn't do it again" he said, so she knows that she cannot get away with shit like that. But if she is eventually found guilty, she would end up with a criminal record and loose her job surely, as she is a school bus driver.
I am thorn...am I over-reacting/over-doing it if I go back and press charges? My daughter didn't get hit in the face, luckily. But she could have. Had she come inside with blood on her face....We're not talking about young children getting mad at each other...this is a grown up woman in her 50's going after a 9 yrs old child for absolutly no reason. We're also worried that we go this route, she'll come back on us with a vengeance and go completly ballistic. We don't want to find our cars messed up with, our property or wrose of all...our kids. We live in a small community, she's been raised here, owns and run a business here, she knows an awful lot of people. I think she even has friends in the police station. What would you do...
We have had issues with our neighbor for quite some time. We always tried to be good neighbors with her and she always kept on pulling some new shit to try to piss us off. Stuff like gossiping about our family to all the neighbors and other residents, her and her adults kids parking on our front lawn (yes, they did damage our lawn with their vehicles), throwing trash across the fence onto our property, one of their dog with a vicious attitude being loose on the streets and coming onto our property in the morning to sit literally in front of my door, growling at my kids when they needed to get out for the bus, etc. etc.
Last edited by MissTwisties; 10-09-09 at 08:43 AM.
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My opinion:
This woman should not be driving children around with her temper and disregard for a childs safety... not to mention her unbelievable improper judgement shown by this incident.
Press charges... if for some reason the local PD won't do it then go to court and do it yourself. Get a no tresspass order... the court won't issue a 209A restraining order unless you had or have a relationship with this woman or you resided in the same house.
Wow, sorry to hear that you have to live next to an asshole! Not sure what you should do. I agree that pushing the issue can make things even worse, but WTF? Throwing a handful of rocks at a child? I can honestly say if anyone ever fucks with my kids, I will only be going to the cops in a pair of handcuffs!
WTF is wrong with this bitch?
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I'm going to go with the fact that you might be over reacting a little, as usual! For someone who is this concerned about your childs safety arent you the one that was spotted on 91s with a kid in the car doing 90+ MPH while bobbing in and out of lanes???
Point is, was it really assault? Or was your kid just scared by the noise of a few small rocks hitting the fence? By the way, im not trying to take away from the situation, just saying is it worth getting her fired, pressing charges, and so on? When we were all kids and this happened, people werent arrested, sued and so on over crap like this.
Last edited by Io-bot; 10-09-09 at 08:49 AM.
Vince, thank you. I didn't know if we could only do away with a restraining order, instead of slapping her with assault and possible criminal record. Can I get a "no tresspass order" without the assault charges? But what happen if she goes after my kids from *her* property, without setting foot on ours, basically like she did yesterday...the cops didn't even ask me if I wanted to press charges against her...one of them told me he knows her..
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wow... what she did was pretty lame, but chill out dude...
why start a neighbor rivalry? talk to the woman when she's cooled off, or her husband.... nothing makes it right, and I can't fathom why somebody would chuck rocks at a noisy kid, but you have no idea what she was dealing with at the moment... she could have just lost a family member and been off her head that day.
If she was a long-running prick it'd be one thing... if this is an isolated incident, I'd think twice about getting legal. When I was renting, a neighbor reported another for having an unregistered vehicle in the yard, and then they retaliated by calling in a dui on the guy during a paki-run.
i vote chill... unless she is always pulling stunts.
Wow.... I would act decisively and make an impression, don't worry about her losing her job, she has no right to be driving a school bus if she is throwing rocks ar your child's face!
If you own the house tread lightly.
If you rent the house, move then press charges.
Also ask your daughter how she feels about the whole incident today or tomorrow.
She is 9 and not 5, she can vocalize her feelings to some degree. That would help me make a decision. Most 9 year olds are more with it than parents give them credit for.
All that said. There is no excuse for what your neighbor did.
Last edited by DuncanMoto; 10-09-09 at 08:55 AM.
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Granted V MAY over react on occasion but if it was your kid you would too.
It is really assualt BUT I agree with the try and handle it without the cops involved. If only everyone thought that way. The problem is that in this day and age it is whoever goes to the cops first wins.
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You're an asshole... no right to tell a mother that she is "over reacting, as usual"! WTF? 9 years old is a VERY impressionable age... I know that I clearly remember stuff that happened to me at that age, and protecting your child's safety is first and foremost. It is absoulutely justified for someone to potentially lose their job if they are endangering your child, let alone the children of others by driving a school bus with that sort of temper.![]()
Last edited by MissTwisties; 10-09-09 at 09:19 AM.
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Press charges! That woman is a psychotic b*tch. If you don't do something now, then it gives her a free pass to do something else in the future. I would install a motion light and a camera where your cars are parked, just in case.
Don't hesitate to call animal control the next time her dog is running around without a leash. After she pays a couple fines, maybe she'll learn her lesson.
There is nothing worse than having a neighbor you can't stand because then you have to be concerned with your quality of life... at the same time, you can't let someone disrespect you and your family.
bitch is retarded/crazy...I would just make her life a living hell personally
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She's a drama queen, If you farted in her vicinity she would say you are trying to poison her! I keed I keeed... sort of...
Anyways, she will do what she will do, but in reality a conversation with the woman would work out for the best. Even a threat of legal action would put her in her place and get the point across.
And true, i have no idea what i would do if it was my kid but its not, so I have the ability to look at it from an outsiders perspective and not act on my emotions.
Wow....sorry to hear about your neighbor. I'm glad your daughter is okay.
I am not sure if I can provide any helpfull advice. In one hand if you file the incident with the police that may quiet your neighbor's behaviour a little, in the other hand that may just do the opposite. I do think however that filling the report is the moral thing to do. I wonder if there is a way to mediate the issue while getting the incident officially recorded/filled.
Hope things work out with your neighbor.
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Since the rocks did not hit your child and you already spoke your peace, let it be for now.
If she does it again, then escalate the situation.
Ok...I know my first post is way long to read so some of you apparently missed a few details. This is not an isolated incident. We have had problems with her for some time. (read the complete bottom of my first post). We have always tried to deal with the other problems on our own, by either talking to her or just "letting it go" to avoid the escalation.
But now...this...going after our kids. If you see where I'm coming from...you can surely understand that we are asking ourselves "What will come next??" If we were the type of people to just go balls of the wall and sue anyone for any reason, I wouldn't be asking advices here. I am even asking if there is other things I can do WITHOUT the assault charges, to keep her from doing this again.
Last edited by MissTwisties; 10-09-09 at 09:03 AM.
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I don't have children, but if I did, this would be my take on it...
You did the right thing by going to the police. I would try once more to talk to the woman and if you can't get some feeling of whether or not she would do it again, then I would definately press charges. It may create some problems but your family's safety is more important than worrying about a neighborhood rivalry.
Again, just my .02
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