NTSB Recommends "Black Boxes" in Cars....

[bigred875]

That is bullshit...

''The basic question I have is 'Why not?''' Engleman Conners said.

Because people who are doing 10 over the speed limit will be charged with an accident when a fuggin blue hair backs out of their driveway with out looking....and every reason under the sun that may incriminate people.....


I think it would be a good idea for vehicles that carry passengers as a business but not for personal vehicles....

[benVFR]

This is probably not ALL bad unless you are flagrantly breaking the law constantly. If you're speeding and don't get in an accident it's not going to hurt you in any way.

If the blue hair pulls out in front of you, they will look at her black box as well and see that she pulled out. You'll perhaps get partial blame for the accident. Lots of other accidents it could help you. If a car pulls in front of a bike without signalling, it will help the guy on the bike, etc...

Plenty of commercial vehicles record way more than they are recommending already. Big rigs have tons and tons of data recording and reporting already.

Ben

Originally posted by bigred875
That is bullshit...

''The basic question I have is 'Why not?''' Engleman Conners said.

Because people who are doing 10 over the speed limit will be charged with an accident when a fuggin blue hair backs out of their driveway with out looking....and every reason under the sun that may incriminate people.....


I think it would be a good idea for vehicles that carry passengers as a business but not for personal vehicles....

[bigred875]

Originally posted by Mystery Squid
Of course, the flip side is, the drunk asshole (or high on weed ) that hit you, has one less thing to lie about...

blood test tells that..nice try

either way how will a black box be able to detect that....

[bigred875]

Originally posted by benVFR
This is probably not ALL bad unless you are flagrantly breaking the law constantly. If you're speeding and don't get in an accident it's not going to hurt you in any way.

If the blue hair pulls out in front of you, they will look at her black box as well and see that she pulled out. You'll perhaps get partial blame for the accident. Lots of other accidents it could help you. If a car pulls in front of a bike without signalling, it will help the guy on the bike, etc...

Plenty of commercial vehicles record way more than they are recommending already. Big rigs have tons and tons of data recording and reporting already.

Ben

not buying that...esp. on a bike... It will end in "he" was speeding blue hair pulled out...if "he"wasn't speeding the accident would never have happened...again I agree 100% for commercial vehicles just not personal.

I think it would be used as a loophole instead of focusing on the real problem....

[benVFR]

Originally posted by bigred875
not buying that...esp. on a bike... It will end in "he" was speeding blue hair pulled out...if "he"wasn't speeding the accident would never have happened...again I agree 100% for commercial vehicles just not personal.

I think it would be used as a loophole instead of focusing on the real problem....

We will see... you are taking a more negative/paranoid view of the police/insurance/whoever than I am.

Guess I can agree though, this is a band-aid to try and make people safer without tackling the real problem, which is driver education.

I suppose the black box will not be able to tell if the driver was on the cellphone.

I doubt we can stop it...

Ben

[RandyO]

Add another $1000 to the cost of a car

I will never buy a new car, they make me pay for seat belts I don't wear, air bags I don't want , now a fucking device that has the potential to be used agains me in a court of law

Why don't we just make everybody ride in a JohnnyCab and get it over with

[ssg]

So this "black box", concept - are they gonna call it OBDII perhaps

My company was looking into GPS for our fleet vehicles, when our insurance agency pointed out most of what we wanted to know could be had via 100$ software/adapter package and some memory for the OBDII unit.

Anything 1996+ has it, for 'diagnostic' purposes. Since when does the gov't regulate how your dealership diagnoses your car? hmmm...

[ssg]

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Oh yeah...you too can be your own insurance adjuster :

Plus, if you're unfortunate enough to be involved in an accident, CarChipE/X will automatically generate an accident log showing the last critical 20 seconds of speed.

[slingblade]

Originally posted by somestrangeguy
So this "black box", concept - are they gonna call it OBDII perhaps

My company was looking into GPS for our fleet vehicles, when our insurance agency pointed out most of what we wanted to know could be had via 100$ software/adapter package and some memory for the OBDII unit.

Anything 1996+ has it, for 'diagnostic' purposes. Since when does the gov't regulate how your dealership diagnoses your car? hmmm...

Your thinking about the rumored ODB3.

ODB2 does have the port, as does ODB1. I have laptop scantools for ODB1 and ODB2. Pretty slick stuff ODB2 doesn't record, but if you have a scantool or the fleet plugin stuff it will...


GM has "black boxes" now. They record the last XX (I forget) number of seconds before the airbags go off. This isn't used by insurance but by the safty board (YEA RIGHT) There was a(some) case(s) that they did use this in court though.

[Suf Daddy]

Sling:
They tried this on a Beverly chick on her drunkdriving wreck in her Tahoe or other GM product. They tried to show her speed as like 52 in a 35 or someother parameter.......
Case may still be going on.
-Suf Daddy

Originally posted by slingblade

GM has "black boxes" now. They record the last XX (I forget) number of seconds before the airbags go off. This isn't used by insurance but by the safty board (YEA RIGHT) There was a(some) case(s) that they did use this in court though.