Windows 10

[Stromper]

Anybody take the free upgrade?

if so was it smooth and what is it

or is it like Vista

[PinHead]

I had 8.1 installed and took the upgrade, super easy, seems to have sped up the laptop a bit too. I'm not techy enough to give you a big run down on changes, but I do like it so far.

[lrrs313]

I'm with PinHead. Upgrade was really easy, took a little while but that's to be expected (still less than half an hour). FWIW, I like the user interface better so far. Some things are taking some getting used to but only because they're different. Seems to be a cross between old windows and 8.1.

[NPDCPA]

I upgraded too. Not sure I can boast about more speed. Start up is certainly slower, but the new interface is what 8.1 should have been.

[MoXzilla]

Anybody take the free upgrade?

if so was it smooth and what is it

or is it like Vista

Windows 8 was the vista.

The same guy who made vista was lead in Windows 8.. After 8 came out he was fired LOL.

[Kurlon]

My upgraded system (8.1 prior) takes longer to fire up now. On the flip side I have clean Win 10 installs that boot far faster than 8.1 ever did on the same hardware so I think I'm going to blow away my main system and see how it likes a freshy-fresh install.

[The Snowman]

I like Windows 8.1. Can't upgrade to 10 on my Parallel until the company comes out with an image and says all software used for work is compatible.

[OreoGaborio]

Gonna upgrade as soon as I pull the trigger on an external hard drive & back-up all my shiznit

[BMMCBR]

I like Windows 8.1. Can't upgrade to 10 on my Parallel until the company comes out with an image and says all software used for work is compatible.

Same, except we're on 7.

As for the personal laptop. It's less than a year old, with pretty awesome specs, yet 10 is slow as hell. Not just on startup, but overall. Maybe I should do a clean install?

[The Snowman]

Gonna upgrade as soon as I pull the trigger on an external hard drive & back-up all my shiznit

Grab a wireless NAS device. Awesome for regular backups. Make sure it has alternate ways of connecting (Cat 5, USB, et...), for restores.

[Slyder]

Don't forget to avoid using the express setup option during installation, so you can disable all that privacy nightmare shit that makes windows 10 far worse than 8 ever was. MS is pharming like a mf'er with 10. Because, you know, the content of your emails will absolutely help MS improve your user experience.

[OreoGaborio]

Grab a wireless NAS device. Awesome for regular backups. Make sure it has alternate ways of connecting (Cat 5, USB, et...), for restores.

*googles prices

nooooooooooooooooo thank you.

If I wanted wireless, what's stopping me from just plugging in a 50 dollar 1tb external hard drive into my router?

[PinHead]

Same, except we're on 7.

As for the personal laptop. It's less than a year old, with pretty awesome specs, yet 10 is slow as hell. Not just on startup, but overall. Maybe I should do a clean install?

Might be worth it, my laptop that is a couple of years old now sped up quite a bit.

[Kurlon]

Part of my Win10 test fleet is first generation Atoms... Yeah, netbooks and netbook cpus in desktop cases. They're flying on clean W10 installs.

[The Snowman]

Going to give the upgrade a go on my current 8.1 Pro netbook. I guess we'll see if I like it better than I like 8.1.

[OreoGaborio]

Chuck...

If I wanted wireless, what's stopping me from just plugging in a 50 dollar 1tb external hard drive into my router?

That was an honest question. Besides the fact that my method would be a shared network drive (that I could password protect), what's the difference between doing that & one of your fancy NAS devices

[BMMCBR]

Chuck...



That was an honest question. What's the difference

USB bottleneck, but it might be a negligible difference. I personally would, especially because of the cost difference.

[aldend123]

USB bottleneck, but it might be a negligible difference. I personally would, especially because of the cost difference.

USB2.0 will get ~30 MegaBytes per second. Not sure I'd call that a bottleneck, and you can't get 30Meg/sec over 802.11g Wifi (7meg/sec at best). If your router supports USB hard drives, I'd go that way. But you usually pay extra for those, which might mitigate the difference in cost of buying a NAS.

The core difference is that a home-NAS provides the firmware (basically, Operating System), while a router which supports USB storage is the one being the firmware. I don't follow these closely, but it's possible the router management of hte device might be more of a marketing gimmick than a well thought-out and thoroughly tested feature. Check reviews for people actually using that option.

And for large file transfers, you might still want to hardwire connect your device to the router and let it sit for a bit. One drop in the wifi signal and you're stuck with a partial transfer unless you use tools which allow you to resume where you left off.

[BMMCBR]

USB2.0 will get ~30 MegaBytes per second. Not sure I'd call that a bottleneck, and you can't get 30Meg/sec over 802.11g Wifi (7meg/sec at best). If your router supports USB hard drives, I'd go that way. But you usually pay extra for those, which might mitigate the difference in cost of buying a NAS.

Yeah but who uses 802.11g anymore? Almost all new routers and computers come with 802.11n or better hardware. 30mbps seems like a pretty big bottleneck once you get into the 300-450 mbps range.

[aldend123]

Yeah but who uses 802.11g anymore? Almost all new routers and computers come with 802.11n or better hardware. 30mbps seems like a pretty big bottleneck once you get into the 300-450 mbps range.

By 30Meg/sec I mean MegaBYTES not MegaBITS. 30 Meg/sec = 240mbps. You're talking 300mbps 802.11n speeds, which is more like 37megaBYTES per second. Yes, it's confusing and I spend way too much mental effort trying to make sure I don't mix the two. And even if you have an N router, and an N device, 300mbps is the ideal speed, but probably not the actual result. And we haven't even gotten to device write-speeds yet Just because your SATA bus can carry whatever gbits a second doesn't mean you're using that.

Edit, I've been talking USB2.0 speeds, but 3.0's getting common enough that it might be more relevant here. While real world results vary its safe to say bare minimum of double the speed of 2.0 and probably much higher than that.

[TheIglu]

Yeah but who uses 802.11g anymore?

The average user who will see no performance improvement from what they do on a 30Mbps connection.

Techno-envy. Most of my friends who don't work in the industry have it. "I need a new router" -why? "Cause AC is out and my internet/wifi is slow" -How fast is your ISP connection? "25Mbps. I need a new router. B/G/N is too slow" -facepalm


Unless you are doing huge file transfers constantly at home, why bother with all the extra speed you won't use? Hell, streaming 1080p at a typical x264 compression is still only 10Mbps.

[aldend123]

How fast is your ISP connection? "25Mbps. I need a new router. B/G/N is too slow" -facepalm

25mbps, but 50mbps with ComcastMegasuperboost.*

*Average daily speeds more like 12mbps with a 100ms ping, and a useless upload speed

But definitely get gigabit. Because you'll never use all that power.

[BMMCBR]

By 30Meg/sec I mean MegaBYTES not MegaBITS. 30 Meg/sec = 240mbps. You're talking 300mbps 802.11n speeds, which is more like 37megaBYTES per second. Yes, it's confusing and I spend way too much mental effort trying to make sure I don't mix the two. And even if you have an N router, and an N device, 300mbps is the ideal speed, but probably not the actual result. And we haven't even gotten to device write-speeds yet Just because your SATA bus can carry whatever gbits a second doesn't mean you're using that.

Edit, I've been talking USB2.0 speeds, but 3.0's getting common enough that it might be more relevant here. While real world results vary its safe to say bare minimum of double the speed of 2.0 and probably much higher than that.

Derp. That's my bad. I frequently mix the two as is apparent here.

The average user who will see no performance improvement from what they do on a 30Mbps connection.

Techno-envy. Most of my friends who don't work in the industry have it. "I need a new router" -why? "Cause AC is out and my internet/wifi is slow" -How fast is your ISP connection? "25Mbps. I need a new router. B/G/N is too slow" -facepalm


Unless you are doing huge file transfers constantly at home, why bother with all the extra speed you won't use? Hell, streaming 1080p at a typical x264 compression is still only 10Mbps.

I fully agree, but doesn't that compound when multiple devices are doing the same thing? "i.e., downloading huge files, streaming video, etc."?


That being said, I wasn't saying that USB bottleneck was my reason to not use a NAS or other like device. I was simply stating the usual response people give when questions of that type are asked. As I said in my original post. I, nor anyone else here, should notice the speed difference in NAS vs USB hard drive attached to router. Which coincides with what you guys are saying.

[The Snowman]

I updated my 8.1 netbook and the wife's 7 laptop both to 10 Pro 64-bit. OS runs faster on both. I don't see a real difference from 8.1, except that in place of the whole touch screen thing, they moved the useless stock apps into the start menu. It has a wannabe Siri, which we have already disabled.