Oil on Track - May 25th 10 - Video

[CEO]

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The issue as bomo said is that if you heavily increase the trackday prep requirements, you'll end up with a very safe trackday that severely lacks attendance and loses thousands of dollars. Even now there are always several people who show up to tech and haven't Secured their oil filter and we end up having to scrounge around and find a way to do it for them.

And the folks posting up on internet riding forums about bike safety aren't usually the folks you need to worry about in this sense, its your everyday street rider who also happens to be a poor mechanic.

Unless you want tech to take the whole morning increasing the requirements to absolutely ensure the prevention of all incidents is pretty unrealistic.

[SVRACER01]

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If you change your own oil then take the 10 min while its draining to drill your drain plug for safety wire. you dont have to safety wire but someday you might have to or want to.
if you have a shop do your oil changes, you could always ask them if theyd be willing to drill it for you. its worth asking

[OreoGaborio]

That totally sucks... a shop should friggin know better than to not torque a drain bolt. You shouldn't have to worry about a friggin thing after a shop does work on your bike.

... however it's an imperfect world and I agree that the rider always has the final responsibility for bike safety.

Sucky situation all around though.

[Eddie]

So anyway, Oswaldo was wondering if someone here would be willing to assist him safety wire his bike - for a fair compensation, of course. He lives in Lynn but would transport his bike to your shop if you are willing to help. Any takers?

["Dangerous" Dan K]

So anyway, Oswaldo was wondering if someone here would be willing to assist him safety wire his bike - for a fair compensation, of course. He lives in Lynn but would transport his bike to your shop if you are willing to help. Any takers?

I will. I'm in Georgetown, about 25 minutes away.

[Degsy]

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If anyone wants pre-drilled bolts for oil drain or brake calipers, boston moto will supply them at our dealer cost. Just tell us bike type and year and we will supply them to you from pro-bolt. Take 25% off pro bolt web site prices.

[e30addict]

hmmm, I'm torn.

On one hand: What about people who have no mechanical ability and rely on the a shop to check the bike and make sure it's ready?

A bunch of people have said they would check their mechanics work, but the simple fact is that are many people who simply lack the knowledge to adequately to do so. That might be why the paid someone do it in the first place, no? I imagine there are people like that at a track day.

On the other hand: When I help put on track days for cars one of our national requirements is to have a competent (read qualified) mechanic checkout the car before the event. Trackside we spot check a few things to try to catch any gross issues. We can't check everything and we've been advised not to get too detailed on the spot checks. To do so could open the door to blame the club for not catching it in the first place and expose us to more liability.

I'd caution BoMO, or any other organizer for that matter, to tread carefully and think things through thoroughly before changing tech.

My .02 based on input from all the risk managers and legal staff I've talked to.

[TTD]

My logic as far as trackday tech is this...

If each person goes over their bike carefully, it takes maybe 5 to 10 minutes per person - in parallel (meaning everyone can do it simultaneously).

If the trackday org has to do it, it still takes 5 to 10 minutes per person... but it's in series - so you could spend several hours doing tech.

Bottom line is that it's YOUR life on the line... and possibly the life of someone near you on the track.

Is your life worth the 10 minutes it takes to PUT A WRENCH on every critical bolt? (drain bolt, oil filter, brakes and wheels - and then grab and shake all levers, pegs, etc)

If you really don't feel qualified to check the tightness of a bolt, you should tell your garage buddy and ask for their help. Speaking of which... everyone should have a "garage buddy" - someone that knows where your stuff is and what to do in the event you have an incident. Your emergency contact hundreds of miles away is important...but your garage buddy is on site and can help immediately.

[Eddie]

I will. I'm in Georgetown, about 25 minutes away.

PM'ed!! Thanks.

[FirstDuc-1098]

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If anyone wants pre-drilled bolts for oil drain or brake calipers, boston moto will supply them at our dealer cost. Just tell us bike type and year and we will supply them to you from pro-bolt. Take 25% off pro bolt web site prices.

for Degsy

[TheIglu]

In my rumble opinion, trackday bikes are not and should not the subject to the same level of scrutiny as racing bikes. For one, trackdays are non-racing/not timed events that allow for street riders to go out and have some fun while allowing them to better their riding ability.

I think the opposite is true. The level of safety to be expected at a trackday is far higher than the rigors of racing (and chances being taken on the track).

Trackday bikes should be safer than any racebike.

Race = 8 laps.

Trackday = ? laps

My janky looking EX may be ugly as sin, but I touch every bolt on that bike and safety wire any single point of failure fastener.

It is the responsibility of the rider, not the trackday organization, to put a wrench on the heavy hitters in the "has to be checked" fastener department.

["Dangerous" Dan K]

PM'ed!! Thanks.

NP. I replied. I'll get him sorted out.

[WordTooYoMamma]

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a lot of people seem to be very lazy

i just did my first track day and i wired what i felt was anything i felt would REALLLY suck to come lose, so i wired my oil drain, filler and filter. also did all the brake bolts after reading about what happened to mondo last season

coming from the guy with headlights visable for 2/3 of the track day

[The Snowman]

coming from the guy with headlights visable for 2/3 of the track day

None of the trackday organizations REQUIRE headlights to be off.

The only requirement is that if the lenses are glass, that they be taped.

It is a requirement that BRAKE lights not show. (I used to just pull the bulbs)

[WordTooYoMamma]

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pfft. I heard wrong then, all 3 hids will be blazing next time.

[Vin]

Won't matter to me so long as every one of our customers knows why the tech line is a mile long and isn't moving because we're checking hardware on everything.


Better yet, why don't the "trained technicians" learn how to complete their simple tasks....or am I expecting too much?


Eddie - Your friend Oswaldo needs to drop the hammer on that shop, no two ways about it. They were the last people to perform work. They have the (supposedly) trained and certified technicians working on things so, IMO, they are the ones responsible for this nonsense. Their customer (Oswaldo) paid for a service and that mark was grossly missed.

Overlooking an oil drain bolt is inexcusable for a certified technician and if this were my shop, the tech would be looking for a new job.

Inexcusable.

Eddie-

Please tell Oswaldo I will drop the hammer on the shop.......I was the guy who went down behind him.

Most importantly, I am glad all parties walked away unharmed.

The bikes will get fixed.

V.

[Degsy]

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Won't matter to me so long as every one of our customers knows why the tech line is a mile long and isn't moving because we're checking hardware on everything.


Better yet, why don't the "trained technicians" learn how to complete their simple tasks....or am I expecting too much?


Eddie - Your friend Oswaldo needs to drop the hammer on that shop, no two ways about it. They were the last people to perform work. They have the (supposedly) trained and certified technicians working on things so, IMO, they are the ones responsible for this nonsense. Their customer (Oswaldo) paid for a service and that mark was grossly missed.

Overlooking an oil drain bolt is inexcusable for a certified technician and if this were my shop, the tech would be looking for a new job.

Inexcusable.

Eddie-

Please tell Oswaldo I will drop the hammer on the shop.......I was the guy who went down behind him.

Most importantly, I am glad all parties walked away unharmed.

The bikes will get fixed.

V.

Are we gonna find out the name of this shop?

[Eddie]

Eddie-

Please tell Oswaldo I will drop the hammer on the shop.......I was the guy who went down behind him.

Most importantly, I am glad all parties walked away unharmed.

The bikes will get fixed.

V.

Vin,

The entire incident was unfortunate. I am sorry that you went down after him. I also think it was pretty cool for you to assist picking up the pieces even though you crashed as well - I'm sure Oswaldo appreciates that as well.

I left him a message advising that you too want to talk to said shop. Unfortunately, personally I do not know the name of the shop. However, I am hoping we will disclose that information today after he speaks with the shop's owner.

Although, he is rarely in the site his username here is "playtwo" - if I am not mistaken.

Nonetheless, I am urging him to release the shop's name.

I hope the above help and wish I had that information for you.

[Jim]

Eddie,

Is Oswaldo buys the pre-drilled Pro-Bolt stuff through Boston Moto, I'll gladly give him a hand safety wiring in the garages the night before any BoMo track day. I'll be at all of them with my wire & plyers handy.

[Crash Dummy Denno]

Eddie,

Is Oswaldo buys the pre-drilled Pro-Bolt stuff through Boston Moto, I'll gladly give him a hand safety wiring in the garages the night before any BoMo track day. I'll be at all of them with my wire & plyers handy.

its spelled pliers, dumbass...

[Jim]

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Shut up race and track rider dropout

[Crash Dummy Denno]

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Shut up race and track rider dropout

shut up pre-novice bitch out! i want my condor stand back

[naked-daytrader]

Hi hi Denny...