speeding ticket notation

[rpete]

Got a speeding ticket this morning, the officer wrote on the citation:

Clocked @ 50-52 mph 1/2 mile in LTL

So he clocked me for half a mile and estimates I was doing between 50 and 52 mph. But what does "in LTL" mean?

[TheIglu]

Left travel lane possibly?

[rpete]

Ah yes, left lane would make sense. Thanks!

[Cue Ball]

Yes, minimum distance for clocking is a half mile.

[yamamayzf1000r]

Clocked???
Did he have a radar gun in his cruiser? If your not sure call the PD and find out if that cruiser is equipped with one. Most of them are nowadays. I just find it odd that he actually clocked you.

[Suf Daddy]

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-Suf Daddy

Originally posted by TheIglu
Left travel lane possibly?

[davew]

There are 2 diffent speeding laws in MA. One applies to posted speedlimits and the other allpies to statuatory (unposted) speed limits.

MGL 90-17 (that is, chapter 90, section 17 of the Massachusetts General Laws) begins:

No person operating a motor vehicle on any way shall run it at a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper

(This is the "basic rule," and is the law in every state except Montana.)

Section 17 continues to say the following are prima facie evidence of unreasonable speed:

Exceeding 30 MPH for 1/8 mile in a "thickly settled" area (business district, or where houses average less than 200 feet apart for 1/4 mile).
Exceeding 40 MPH for 1/4 mile on an undivided highway outside a thickly settled area.
Exceeding 50 MPH for 1/4 mile on a divided highway outside a thickly settled area.
Exceeding 20 MPH in a school zone while children are present.
(The state MUTCD supplement says they are to be used only at times and places when children under grade 9 are crossing the street in marked crosswalks on designated school routes on their way to and from school.)

``Prima facie'' evidence means that you can be convicted of speeding if you exceed these speeds for the alloted distance and no additional evidence is required, but you are allowed to present evidence that your speed was reasonable. In most other states, speed limits are absolute; you are breaking the law by exceeding the speed limit regardless of whether you are driving safely or the distance you were speeding.

Section 18 applies to posted limits and contains no distance requirement. Exceeding the limit for just a second is still a violation. Exceeding a speed limit set by a section 18 regulation is also prima facie evidence of unreasonable speed. Section 18 regulations must be posted to be effective, and supersede the unposted limits set by section 17 (if a higher or lower speed is posted the posted speed is the legal one). You can only get a ticket by RADAR for a Section 18 violation, as RADAR only measures your speed for a split second.

The officer clocking you for 1/2 a mile is just double evidence against you....

Appeal it though, it will probably get dismissed....

-dave w

[rpete]

I do plan to appeal, but barring a finding of not responsible based on some technicality (lost citation or officer not showing up for the second stage appeal) I don't see much basis for my defense. The officer marked off estimated speed, as well as clocked speed for 1/2 mile. Although I do not believe he really did clock me for this distance, it's basically his word against mine and the estimate alone should be enough to rule against me.

Well, I'll go through the motions at least.

[Kham]

Originally posted by davew
There are 2 diffent speeding laws in MA. One applies to posted speedlimits and the other allpies to statuatory (unposted) speed limits.

MGL 90-17 (that is, chapter 90, section 17 of the Massachusetts General Laws) begins:

No person operating a motor vehicle on any way shall run it at a rate of speed greater than is reasonable and proper

(This is the "basic rule," and is the law in every state except Montana.)

Section 17 continues to say the following are prima facie evidence of unreasonable speed:

Exceeding 30 MPH for 1/8 mile in a "thickly settled" area (business district, or where houses average less than 200 feet apart for 1/4 mile).
Exceeding 40 MPH for 1/4 mile on an undivided highway outside a thickly settled area.
Exceeding 50 MPH for 1/4 mile on a divided highway outside a thickly settled area.
Exceeding 20 MPH in a school zone while children are present.
(The state MUTCD supplement says they are to be used only at times and places when children under grade 9 are crossing the street in marked crosswalks on designated school routes on their way to and from school.)

``Prima facie'' evidence means that you can be convicted of speeding if you exceed these speeds for the alloted distance and no additional evidence is required, but you are allowed to present evidence that your speed was reasonable. In most other states, speed limits are absolute; you are breaking the law by exceeding the speed limit regardless of whether you are driving safely or the distance you were speeding.

hey thanks. i think i may have basis for my trial in March. i believe he radar gun me less than 1/8 miles non posted speed area. he then followed me furthur, at slower speed, until i pulled over on my own. bastard!

[tls25rs]

Anyone have info like this for contesting a ticket like this in NH.

Somebody I know Not me of course might have been caught going a little fast on a back road that may and or may not have been posted and maybe I can make it seem like my speed was reasonable for the road conditions and level of traffic etc.

Thanks

Joel

[Suf Daddy]

radardetector.net
-Suf Daddy

The interesting thing about the MA ticket is that the officer wrote 1/2 mile. That's a double problem. It complies with the actual law as written.

You can provide a defense to over the speed limit, but your scenerio sounds hard.

"By necessity" is an interesting defense. Great IMHO for bikes.

He was pulling out into traffic and didn't see me, so for my life and property damage I torqued it up to get out of theway.

You'll need to declare that under prima facie, this MAY be reasonable as it was "ALSO" under the distance the law states.....

I'd go the typical route first, hten play this if all else fails.....

-Suf Daddy

[stanb_dallas]

I cant seem to find any place on the web with notation info like this.....are there any?

I have a 3 notations on my speeding ticket:
2p r2 g2d3 (might be g2u3 or similar)

i'm thinking two people in vehicle, right twice before i pulled over and..... no idea. any thoughts?

[nilez]

here's an idea

call the PD and ask the source!

[odieoh24]

if he used radar, how come your speed was 50-52? shouldnt you have just one number! anytime i've ever been pulled over i always ask to see the readout on the radar. last year on the way to killington i was stopped supposedly going 78 in a 55. when i asked to see the speed on the radar, he didnt have it! ticket was written for 65 in a 55, but did also include the estimated speed of 78. since i was unregistered at the time and he didnt tow the bike, i just paid it. extemely thankful for the break!! first ticket i've gotten in at least 9 years on the bike.

later odieoh24

[Doc]

Odie... Look at the post date.

[RandyO]

if he used radar, how come your speed was 50-52? shouldnt you have just one number! anytime i've ever been pulled over i always ask to see the readout on the radar. last year on the way to killington i was stopped supposedly going 78 in a 55. when i asked to see the speed on the radar, he didnt have it! ticket was written for 65 in a 55, but did also include the estimated speed of 78. since i was unregistered at the time and he didnt tow the bike, i just paid it. extemely thankful for the break!! first ticket i've gotten in at least 9 years on the bike.

later odieoh24

your responding to a 3 year old post

[CBR929RE]

your responding to a 3 year old post

to be fair Stan B brought it back up so he probably just got it from clicking new posts.

[RandyO]

to be fair Stan B brought it back up so he probably just got it from clicking new posts.

StanB has a new question of the same type