Brand Matter or just Preference?

I call bullshit.

You're not really 31 years old.

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Originally Posted by ThisBitch

I'm not saying buying a new bike is stupid, I'm saying the OP is stupid and not well informed enough to do it without getting assraped.

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Holy Shit FINALLY something we agree on :)

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Originally Posted by jcrawford

Thoughts on that?

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I think you're full of fuckin excuses on why you think getting raped by a dealership to buy new is smarter than spending less on a perfectly good used bike.

"I don't want to buy someone else's problems" is code for "Not only am I an idiot, but I don't want to learn."

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Originally Posted by Jaynnus

I call bullshit. You're not really 31 years old.

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Yep born 06/1980

You say your are just starting out with bikes. That is even more reason to not spend $10K on a brand new bike.
I am far from a noob when it comes to bikes/riding and I have an absolute blast riding around on my 12 year old SV650.
Are you into bikes because you like riding or you want to look cool?

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Originally Posted by Jaynnus

I call bullshit.
You're not really 31 years old.

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Why do you think I said "Damn kids..."?

Joe, sounds like the dealers got in your ear and planted fear, doubt & uncertainty about a used bike.....they are all trained to do it....the whole "well you don't know what you are buying when you buy privately"....

Don't fall for it.... there's plenty of used bikes out there that are taken much better care of than at a dealer.

If you buy from someone on NESR, you can be reasonably certain that if they're an active member, they will be pretty straight up with you about what the condition of the bike is.

If you buy from a dealer, you can be reasonably certain you'll be paying enough markup to compensate for the 15 other bikes they've had sitting on the floor for months that they can't sell.

Don't be a moron.

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Originally Posted by TheIglu

As Jackie stated in a previous thread, you already have your mind made up. Enjoy your payments for the next 6 years.

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This.

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Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

"I don't want to buy someone else's problems" is code for "I'm an idiot and on top of that I don't want to learn."

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No I didn't say I didn't want to buy used. Hell here are the pro's and cons I have come up with.

Used Pros
Ability to maintain myself
Broken In
Potential Aftermarket Modifications
Generally Lower Price

Used Cons
IM AN IDIOT and don't know what to look for or not for :)

New Pros
Waranty
New Bike I know everything that has been done to it and services.

New Cons
Can't perform all maintenance myself without voiding warranty.
Assraped


The fact of the matter is (and I openly admit it) I don't know all that much about bikes. I could see the wrong person taking advantage by selling me a bike that is a POS dressed with brandy new fairings etc.

As for learning... I WANT to learn, that's the only thing that pisses me off about having a brand new bike under warranty, I can't do half the shit myself without voiding the warranty.

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Originally Posted by Doc

This.

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that is completely false. If I had my mind made up why would I be here asking for your advice and opinions?

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Originally Posted by jcrawford

I am a bit reluctant to do that because I am just starting with bikes and would not want to buy a bike beat to hell and have it die on me a few months to a year later :D

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The good thing about NESR is that people here can be quite helpful. I'm pretty sure if you ask nice enough, you can arrange for another NESRian to come with you to look at a used bike and tell you if it's good or not.

And if that bike ends up breaking, you might be able to get a NESRian to help you fix it. Hell you might learn a thing or three!

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Originally Posted by ThisBitch

If you buy from someone on NESR, you can be reasonably certain that if they're an active member, they will be pretty straight up with you about what the condition of the bike is.

If you buy from a dealer, you can be reasonably certain you'll be paying enough markup to compensate for the 15 other bikes they've had sitting on the floor for months that they can't sell... and you can be virtually guaranteed that they won't do jack to help you out in any way, shape or form if something happens to the bike, other than make you pay out the nose for repairs while you wait 3 months for them to fix it.

Don't be a moron.

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fixed.

Best way to learn is to ask for advice. You have that part down.


Second step is to listen to that advice. You need to work on that part.

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Originally Posted by jcrawford

Used Cons
IM AN IDIOT and don't know what to look for or not for :)

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I am no expert, but would be glad to look over a bike that you are looking to buy. I am sure others on here would be willing to help you out too.

What about that GSXR 1K on here in nice shape for short money?

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Originally Posted by TheIglu

Best way to learn is to ask for advice. You have that part down.

Second step is to listen to that advice. You need to work on that part.

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I'm at a loss, if I had already not listened I would have the bike in my driveway right now but nope no bike out there.... yet.

See that is the thing about this community. If you are an honest person and sell a bike here, you have nothing to worry about. If you try to swindle someone, you'll get hung out to dry.

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Originally Posted by jcrawford

I only have to go through the dealer if I want to finance the bike.

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I'll ask again, why do you think this? Is your credit that bad that a bank won't give you a loan? If that's the case, that's probably a sign that you shouldn't have another loan.

You don't want a problem? Then buy a bike from somebody here that has a solid reputation. Get somebody you trust to inspect it with you. It's not that hard. I knew very little about street bikes when I bought my SV, and walked away with a problem free bike for cheap money, with cheap insurance, and no monthly payment.

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Originally Posted by jcrawford

that is completely false. If I had my mind made up why would I be here asking for your advice and opinions?

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You ask but you don't take it.

Get a used bike from the 1990s to EARLY 2000's, Stop looking at 2009 and up CBR 600rr's.

If you want to learn how to work on a Bike get a Hawk GT for $2000. Awesome little bike, plenty of easy upgrades to learn to do and it is kinda a unique bike with a solid community.

The problem is I think you are one of those that thinks the bike is a part of your image... Nothing wrong with that but until you can let it go and be happy to be seen on an older bike you are doomed to repeat yourself.

All the bikes I have owned in the last 10 years I paid cash or paid them off within a year and I have had some cool bikes. A 998 to name just one. :D

Buy that 650r for 2800 and be done with it. You could sell it for $3500 in the spring if you don't like it.

I'd go for that Ninja 650 if I were you. Plenty fast, better on gas, less insurance, still the SuperSport looks you are looking for, cheap cheap cheap.

Disagree?

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Originally Posted by jcrawford

I am just curious if the brand between Suzuki GSXR, Honda CBR600RR, etc. are that different. I know the seating position is different but all I have ever ridden are Honda's aside from my original Suzuki Katana which would not compare.

The reason I am asking is because first I have never ridden a GSXR. The dealer stated that the GSXR is the bike that sells out every year which means everyone has them :) not so sure I want the same thing everyone else has but...

They told me they could put me on the following bikes

2011 GSXR 750 - $11,500
2011 GSXR 600 - $9,900

I was going to buy a used bike however I don't have the equity to buy person to person as I will only have about $4100 cash to put down. The dealership also has a finance company RFC which will finance me. Knowing this fact the dealer has the upper hand and wants to charge me

$8,500 for a 2009 CBR600RR with 8k on it which I know is way too much but since they have the upper hand they wont budge from the price.

So I am debating on just buying a new bike for the cost difference and I think they know that which is why they wont budge.

Thoughts?

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Interesting that the MSRP gap between the 600 and the 750 is $400, but the selling price gap is much larger.

More importantly never let the dealer have the upper hand. IF, IF you have to finance you can always go to your own bank or credit union. Maybe if you had to have a KTM RC8R racing version, or some other almost unabtainable bike, but for most of us buying main stream bikes there are always deals to be had, especially in the New England off season.

And if you buy new you can work on your own bike without voiding the warranty (just like with a car). Come to think of it most mfg warranties are 1 year. In that time what normally has to be done? Probably a couple oil changes and chain adjustments depending on how many miles you ride.

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Originally Posted by TheIglu

I'd go for that Ninja 650 if I were you. Plenty fast, better on gas, less insurance, still the SuperSport looks you are looking for, cheap cheap cheap.

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Oh, but what if it turns out to be a lemon? SURELY he's better off spending an extra 9 THOUSAND DOLLARS, plus higher insurance rates & finance charges on the GSXR750. I mean, just the piece of mind that you get from buying new is worth 9 grand alone, easy!

http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/2669254146.html

'07 RR $4700....its worth a look, and not too far from you

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Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

Oh, but what if it turns out to be a lemon? SURELY he's better off spending an extra 9 THOUSAND DOLLARS, plus higher insurance rates & finance charges on the GSXR750. I mean, just the piece of mind that you get from buying new is worth 9 grand alone, easy!

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Well he COULD buy 3 of those Ninja 650's for the same price. One out of those three is bound to run for at least a year.