Let's dissect my T6 crash...

[KB]

Just buy the triples it won't happen again!!

KB

[Tricky Mike]

it won't happen again!!

Riiiight, riiiiight

[Paul_E_D]

Trick, it's true that you were missing apexes from 2-5 and turned too early by following the track right before going left, but I disagree with Pete. I think you made a second steering input before your lean angle was set and lost the front.

I always find it suprising to hear people say my X is "way off" here, and "totally wrong" there. I have followed every fast guy through every turn on this track many, many times. I created reference point just for remembering where to mark the track, and I've gone out and watched the fast guys from the stands to see it from other angles. They are pretty freaking close IMO. Some we have adjusted for trackday purposes, but I have no trouble lapping at pace using those marks.

I've promoted some lines that the other schools consider wrong, but lately Shane has borne them out to be as fast or faster. I also don't believe in the "just one fast line" gospel. There are more than a few ways to get around quick.

[Tricky Mike]

Thanks, Paul... I appreciate and respect your (and Pete's) perspective... and thanks to everyone for taking the time to help me out. Airing one's own dirty laundry (on NESR of all places) isn't often easy, but I think it's worth it.

I never really thought there was or is one single answer. Missing apexes? Sure. Guilty as charged. Did I dig a peg? I think I might have... Steering input? I didn't "think so at the time..." But that doesn't hold much water. This particular T6 felt like all of the previous laps before it, but I admit that my blurry hindsight doesn't even come close to guaranteeing that I didn't just plain ham-fist it. I thought I was riding at 80-85%... The fact that I crashed tells a different story. In any event... was it the fault of the X's being "way off?" I don't think so. Whether the X was off or not is it's own thread for you, Pete, Tony and others qualified to debate it... but, for the sake of this discussion, put the X anywhere in that corner and recreate that segment with me hitting that X and I bet I still go down based on all of the factors involved...

Having a video like this to show, warts and all, is such a rare opportunity... I HAVE to learn as much as I can from it.
Thanks again, guys... seriously.

[akira700]

You know I did the same exact thing last year.
Just like you I felt that I was taking it easy feeling
relaxed, then all of a sudden I was on my ass.

In my case though I did touch my peg and I did slightly flinch to
pull my toe up. Next thing I know I'm sliding along with my
bike. Weird how everything goes slow motion when you "buy it".

Odd thing is I have hit my peg a bunch of times there and managed to get out of it aok.

Well here was my result:

[Ken C]

Hmmmm, I was right behind Akira when he fell last year and ahead of Trick when he fell. Coincidence? Yes.

Now, my take on the crash is that sluggish line were a factor (they often are), but the nail in the coffin was the very subtle correction to try and get back on line. Yes, trailing throttle and tension were probably factors, but you can see the handlebar correction if you look closely. Another motard-specific factor is that the light weight and wide handlebars make what would be considered slight steering inputs on a sportbike, rather significant.

[Ken C]

Oh, and tire temperature was not a problem.

[Tricky Mike]

Hmmmm, I was right behind Akira when he fell last year and ahead of Trick when he fell. Coincidence? Yes.

Note to self

[stevecbr900rr]

Not to change the subject but...That has to be the best picture with Dennis in it so far...

[Ken C]

Note to self

Be thankful you weren't racing with me in 2000 when I ran over every person who happened to crash in front of me that year.

I've since learned some defensive tricks.

[bostongixxer]

Not to change the subject but...That has to be the best picture with Dennis in it so far...

Not to continue a new subject, but Mike gets the prize for the best avatar yet. I don't know Dennis, but have been following the many avatar alterations. Mike...that is great.

[Crash Dummy Denno]

I don't know Dennis.

you're lucky - he's a real asshole