Do loud pipes save lives?

[Gixxer]

I wouldn’t ride a BMW.

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Sniffle.

Being a toxic narcissist isn’t special.

[gixxer72]

Being a toxic narcissist isn’t special.

How about being a mentally soft whiner, is that special? Asking for a “friend”.

[Vovchandr]

Can't tell if he was joking about not using turn signals

[Gixxer]

How about being a mentally soft whiner, is that special? Asking for a “friend”.

Think you’re confused about who is mentally soft. But it’s not your fault, it’s the narcissism.

[Vovchandr]

Think you’re confused about who is mentally soft. But it’s not your fault, it’s the narcissism.

Everybody is soft unless they are ready to take on the entire US army to protect their house

[Not Sure]

Gixxer on Gixxer crime

[gixxer72]

Gixxer on Gixxer crime

Lol..I’ll tell her I love her and that I won’t do it again, makes it less criminal.

[Gixxer]

Lol..I’ll tell her I love her and that I won’t do it again, makes it less criminal.

It’s not your fault.

[RandyO]

a moose stopped walking toward me when I revved the engine on my SV once, obviously confused in the traffic at the intersection of Rt 4 & 100 in Killington, first a huge touring bus frightened it in my direction, I revved my engine, and it turned toward a sedan, by then, it was trapped in a slew of vehicles, and I was motoring eastward on Rt 4

did it save my life? probably not at the speeds, but I believe the loud rev, I was the loudest vehicle there, helped me avoid a collision with the moose, even if I had stopped, the moose would have likely knocked me over and treaded on me,

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

[OneCheekRider]

Having racked up tens of thousands of miles across the country while lane-splitting, whether commuting or exploring, with and without loud pipes, air horns, auxiliary lights, etc... I've found the people most likely to injure riders are completely oblivious and the greatest form of safety is the ability to avoid it: through predictive caution (I should slow down or change paths bc that car could hit me) or riding ability (staying calm while performing an evasive maneuver).

[R7]

If this question was asked 20 years ago, when people actually paid attention when they were driving, I’d say no. Today, anything and everything you can do to possibly get the attention of a distracted driver, saves lives. That being said, loud pipes absofuckenlutely do save lives.

[Garandman]

New Zealand study. Emphasis added. These results are consistent with the MAIDS study.

https://www.bmj.com/content/328/7444/857

Abstract
Objective To investigate whether the risk of motorcycle crash related injuries is associated with the conspicuity of the driver or vehicle.

Design Population based case-control study.

Setting Auckland region of New Zealand from February 1993 to February 1996.

Participants 463 motorcycle drivers (cases) involved in crashes leading to hospital treatment or death; 1233 motorcycle drivers (controls) recruited from randomly selected roadside survey sites.

Main outcome measures Estimates of relative risk of motorcycle crash related injury and population attributable risk associated with conspicuity measures, including the use of reflective or fluorescent clothing, headlight operation, and colour of helmet, clothing, and motorcycle.

Results Crash related injuries occurred mainly in urban zones with 50 km/h speed limit (66%), during the day (63%), and in fine weather (72%).

• After adjustment for potential confounders, drivers wearing any reflective or fluorescent clothing had a 37% lower risk (multivariate odds ratio 0.63, 95% confidence interval 0.42 to 0.94) than other drivers.
• Compared with wearing a black helmet, use of a white helmet was associated with a 24% lower risk (multivariate odds ratio 0.76, 0.57 to 0.99).
• Self reported light coloured helmet versus dark coloured helmet was associated with a 19% lower risk.
• Three quarters of motorcycle riders had their headlight turned on during the day, and this was associated with a 27% lower risk (multivariate odds ratio 0.73, 0.53 to 1.00).
• No association occurred between risk and the frontal colour of drivers' clothing or motorcycle.

If these odds ratios are unconfounded, the population attributable risks are 33% for wearing no reflective or fluorescent clothing, 18% for a non-white helmet, 11% for a dark coloured helmet, and 7% for no daytime headlight operation.

Conclusions Low conspicuity may increase the risk of motorcycle crash related injury. Increasing the use of reflective or fluorescent clothing, white or light coloured helmets, and daytime headlights are simple, cheap interventions that could considerably reduce motorcycle crash related injury and death.

[OreoGaborio]

I have a deep, seething desire to lock this thread on principle alone.

[Not Sure]

[PurplePackage]

do quiet pipes cause death?

[RandyO]

do quiet pipes cause death?

we'll find out as electricity becomes the source of power for bikes

[TIMMYDUCK]

I have a deep, seething desire to lock this thread on principle alone.

Oh , Enlightened One ,

Exactly what are those principles, that you wish to restrict free speech yet again ?

[RandyO]

fwiw, I think a motorcycle should be louder than a sewing machine

[Point37]

i would say depends on the speed and other variables...on the highway in a car you can't hear a loud bike until it's already next to you...windows up, road noise, music, etc. are all variables...but at lower speeds sometimes

[SteveM]

If loud pipes are a rider's only effort to be more "visible" to motorists in the name of safety, I would posit that safety is unlikely to have been the motivating factor in their purchase of said loud pipes.

https://canadamotoguide.com/2016/07/...ut-loud-pipes/

[obsolete]

Loud pipes make more rules.

[sdog30]

I'll quote myself from a similar thread years ago "hi viz gear is gay and I'd rather be hit by a car than wear it"

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Oh... and I vote bemused. Lol

[OreoGaborio]

Oh , Enlightened One ,

Exactly what are those principles, that you wish to restrict free speech yet again ?

"Yet again"?

If there's anyone I want to speak freely right now, it's you... because I would LOVE to know what you're implying.

[MUZ720]

Using your horn in a moving event is time takin away from making a avoiding maneuver. But it's useful alerting a driver whose sitting texting at a light or stop sign to move along!
Load pipes can make a small difference in some situations, I guess. but overall no. Sorry didn't vote.
Didn't watch the whole video of the guy with the gun vault does he have a rocket launcher?

[Garandman]

I have a deep, seething desire to lock this thread on principle alone.

Snatch away any further replies, by means of a block.

@Gixxer, are we going to engage in another tit-for-tat Thumbs-Down extravaganza? Just put me on Ignore.

It’s not my fault you suck at polls. 864 thread views, 50 replies, 20 poll votes.