Tire Warmers...

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James, I would take the tin hat off if I were you. Lol. There is no great tire company conspiracy to keep the information from you. I'd like to know your sources so I could call them out. I'm actually laughing here.

Ill send you a pm

[Degsy]

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James, I would take the tin hat off if I were you. Lol. There is no great tire company conspiracy to keep the information from you. I'd like to know your sources so I could call them out. I'm actually laughing here.

Ill send you a pm

Cool. I'm intrigued. Seriously.

Haven't seen you at the shop yet, when do you work? Wednesday mornings between 3am and 5am?

[Femmekat]

I'm pretty sure my lap times are being limited by how I use my warmers....

Dave? Why the snide comment? I'm not suggesting in any way that my performance is being affected by how I use my warmers... I'm new to this, and want to learn how to use equipment that is new to me effectively. Does that seem wrong?

I'm slow because I'm new. Not blaming it on the warmers. Bejeezus, only been riding a litlle over a year.

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Cool. I'm intrigued. Seriously.

Haven't seen you at the shop yet, when do you work? Wednesday mornings between 3am and 5am?

Its slow now so there isnt much work for me. Pete seems to be able to handle it. If it picks up Ill be back. Until then Ill enjoy relaxing in the mornings after working until 2am each night I wasnt aware you guys had already moved in. I thought it was in the beginning of Oct. I usually stop by a couple mornings a week just to get out of the house with my dog.

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Depends on tires.

Conti's should be kept on warm after a session, and on hot 20 mins before the session.

Pirelli's are only supposed to be on hot 20 mins before you go out there.

Not sure what michelin, bridge, & dunlops suggest.

Ummm... I can pretty safely say that NO tire is properly heated for racing after 20 minutes on the warmers... because the warmers aren't up to temp yet and definitely haven't had enough time to heat the carcass.

When the inside of my WHEEL is warm to the touch I know the tire is getting to its properly heated level.

i'm sick of these fuckin comments guys. i have my race license, FYI.

by the way, the info i wrote came from the regional reps...not TD vendors.

I know a lot of people with race licenses who have absolutely no idea what they're doing, what does that have to do with anything?

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so because I don't have LRRS experience, means I can't answer her question on warmers?

Just because I haven't crashed my bike in a ton of races like you, means I can't answer a basic question about warmers?

Jim quit being oversensitive...

too long is better then not long enough.

+1 modern tires are not as sensitive to heat cycles and overheating either from what I understand.

[scottieducati]

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I'm slow because I'm new. Not blaming it on the warmers. Bejeezus, only been riding a litlle over a year.

It is great that you are at the level that you are now with the amount of experience that you have. It is never too early to learn and start doing things the right way.

[scottieducati]

James, top racers on different bikes and at different tracks will *always* have tire pressures unique to them, and find out what works. Tire pressure is like any other setting on your bike, it's up to YOU to figure out what works. Why this concept is a matter of contention is beyond my comprehension.

Lauren, check out the blog we posted a long time ago regarding tire pressures: Pressures - dial it in.

I have 4 crashes to my name in my race career. One is because a guy decided to hit me in practice I dont think thats a ton of crashes.

You know Degsy I had the same question. So I asked it. It had to do with contracts and legal department. Made sense to me so after thats I started talking to the guys that raced the tires. Sure enough the "official" pressures and the ones the guys that raced the tires ran was different. Not by much but different.

[Pittenger5]

I turn my warmers on about 45 minutes give or take before my race or practice. When I come in I throw the warmers on the tire unplugged if I have another race or practice coming up. Lather rinse repeat. I take them off right before Im about to go out, I dont panic if I have to sit on hot grid for a bit, or a normal red flag situation. As mentioned, too long is better than not long enough. Ive never had any issue with "cold" tires from any of these situations. Then again, I dont race a bike with "horsepower" but whatever.

[Kurlon]

Ive never had any issue with "cold" tires from any of these situations. Then again, I dont race a bike with "horsepower" but whatever.

I would like to submit my own stupidity that cold tires can in fact bite you even with a measly 40hp... ham fisting the throttle and being down a gear from normal doesn't help either.

[Femmekat]

It is great that you are at the level that you are now with the amount of experience that you have. It is never too early to learn and start doing things the right way.

Thank you Eric. I definitely want to learn as much as I can along the way... I've found it is much easier to learn to do things the right way from the get go, than learn bad habits and then waste a lot of time fixing them. Yes, you start out slower in the beginning sometimes but then at least have a good foundation to build on later on.

There are a lot of things I don't know, and I know I ask too many questions sometimes, but the folks on this board definitely offer a wealth of information which is invaluable to me.

[DuncanMoto]

I'll have Komaki bring some extra tire preassure tracking sheets.

[Pittenger5]

I would like to submit my own stupidity that cold tires can in fact bite you even with a measly 40hp... ham fisting the throttle and being down a gear from normal doesn't help either.

Not saying that it doesnt make a difference, but its not the rocket science some people make it out to be. Throw them on the warmers, and go ride.

[Femmekat]

I'll have Komaki bring some extra tire preassure tracking sheets.

Sweet! Thanks Ted...

[RyanNicholson]

Not that there isn't enough info in here already but I side kinda right down the middle of everything (between anal and casual about tires).

- Tire warmers go on, set to high (180ish) 45mins before you go out.
- As you're getting ready to go out, check/set pressures (every time).
- The last thing you do before going out is take your warmers off. (Well... before pulling the stands haha)
- When you come in, no crazy rush but wipe your tires down (so you don't melt dirt/pebbles into the rubber) and throw your warmers on unplugged.

Someone mentioned measuring your tire pressure coming in off the track, this is good to see how much heat is getting into them and how much more the pressure is rising but can be a bit of a varied baseline. Hot off the warmers is a constant, so if its REALLY hot out and your pressure is high when you come in, you can drop your numbers hot on the warmer a bit or vise versa if its cold.

A good baseline for Ntech Dunlops is 23lbs rear, 33lbs front hot on the warmers.