How to title a supermoto for street use?

[mriley]

Why don't you just trade the R1 to me for my KTM Duke?

It's road legal and probably the best motard "designed" for the road, so 200 mile...no prob. Vibration? Not too much. Plenty of torque for curvey fun.

To answer your question, as far as New York? Not sure. I know people in Mass will register in a state that doesn't require a title and then transfer the reg. KTM's are good because they all come with titles, so easier to install lights and a stator and convert.

Sold my 08 R1 a few months back to pay off the new vette. Now that shes paid off i want to get another bike, but i want to change things up a bit instead of getting a streetbike. Im moving to cape cod for the summer/fall so i figure a supermoto would be a killer bike to bomb around on and make trips to the beach

[b0xmonkey]

Why do you need to know someone in VT to do this? I've lived in NH for a year now. My cage is still registered in VT. I've known people who live in CT and have had their vehicles registered in VT since I was a kid.

Put the bike in the truck, bring it to and get a signed paper from an inspection station saying it is street legal and would pass inspection. Take that and other junk needed (certificate of origin... MSO? not sure what MSO stands for), to the DMV. Even if the cert of origin says "off road use only", if a sate inspection station says it's street legal, the VT DMV will accept that. Get it registered. Insure it. Go back to the inspection station and get your sticker. Put your tag on it. Go ride the damn thing. And in a few weeks, the state of VT will mail you your VT title to your MA, CT, etc, address. If you're going to reg it in VT, it doesn't matter if it's Euro or Japanese.

I know a guy with a tarded out CR500, plated, inspected and he rides it on the street. Yes, I know a CR500 is a two stroke MX bike.

No idea why you outta staters need a friend in VT. I've had a friend from Boston pester me to register his bikes. Do it yourselves ya lazy shits.

So you're saying I could take my KTM, with paperwork, to VT and with them knowing I don't reside in VT they would let me register it in VT and send me a title? What about insurance, do I use a MA agent or a VT agent? The whole thing sounds suspect to me.

[R7]

So you're saying I could take my KTM, with paperwork, to VT and with them knowing I don't reside in VT they would let me register it in VT and send me a title? What about insurance, do I use a MA agent or a VT agent? The whole thing sounds suspect to me.

It is fishy, but it works. Vt will take your money and give you a title, even to a non resident. I don't know about the insurance thing though?
The tricky part is going to be to transfer the plate back to your home state, being an out of state title, with your name on it. You may slip through, you may send up a red flag...I've heard stories of both happening. It's all about the sales and use tax that legally should go to the state/town you live in. To be 100% legal, you will have to transfer the VT title over to your home state.

[SquadraCorse]

I agree it is getting harder and harder. I bought a CL175 honda twin that was a frame and a 5 gallon bucket of parts. I built a nice cafe out of it, and when I went to register my 30 year old bike they gave me nothing but shit, and told me without a title or previous registration that there was no way I could do it. I ended up getting a dealership bill of sale which in RI is apparently gospel, and was able to get it registered with no questions asked. Every state is different so I'm not sure about NY, but I doubt it will be easy. Best bet is to either try and do it through VT, or find some shady people locally to help you out.

[b0xmonkey]

Thanks for the advice, im going to do exactly as you stated because it seems to be the only way to go. I meant id have to pay out the ass because im pretty sure ill have to pay sales tax twice. Once when i reg in VT and once when i transfer it to NY.
Anyways i pick up the bike tomorrow so ill begin the process of ordering parts friday and hopefully in 2 weeks ill be all registered and set to go. I will keep this post updated, and pictures will be up

Still sounds really fishy to me but definitely give an update on how you make out with this.

[mriley]

What about insurance, do I use a MA agent or a VT agent? The whole thing sounds suspect to me.

That is the only question i have yet to see an answer for. In NY i have to have proof of insurance, a bill of sale, and a title in order to register a vehicle. So i was thinking i have to have proof of insurance before i head to the VT DMV, but i havent read anywhere weather it needs to be a VT agent or NY. Ill have to call my insurance girl up and see what the deal is. The good thing is that i live in lake george NY, and the closest VT DMV is Rutland i believe, which isnt so far maybe an hour away.

[Doc]

No proof of insurance needed to register in VT.

[mriley]

damn really? This may end up being 10x easier than i thought

[B440]

I agree it is getting harder and harder. I bought a CL175 honda twin that was a frame and a 5 gallon bucket of parts. I built a nice cafe out of it, and when I went to register my 30 year old bike they gave me nothing but shit, and told me without a title or previous registration that there was no way I could do it. I ended up getting a dealership bill of sale which in RI is apparently gospel, and was able to get it registered with no questions asked. Every state is different so I'm not sure about NY, but I doubt it will be easy. Best bet is to either try and do it through VT, or find some shady people locally to help you out.

They only care about getting their share: Who paid taxes on it before you, and who's going to pay taxes on it now.

[Slyder]

Right. You use your normal insurance company. Call them and add the new bike to the policy.

You don't have to transfer the title back to NY. As I said, I know people who have lived in CT since I was a kid. 20+ years. And their vehicles have been registered in VT for as long as I can remember. No idea why they do that, never really asked either. But I have a feeling if I did, $$$ would be mentioned right off the bat.

I was sitting on a CRF450 with the "off road use only" MSO (thanks for defining that for me) and the salesman himself told me how to "loophole" a bike like that. I'd not really call it fishy, my car as I said (bike too even) are both still reg'd in VT with VT titles. Had a headlight out and got tagged by a VT state trooper and she didn't give a shit that my credentials didn't match up. I even asked her if I had to switch everything over to NH. I thought she was going to give me a ticket on that, but as I said, she could have cared less.

[gregp]

No proof of insurance needed to register in VT.

However, proof of insurance is required to *operate* on that registration. Basically, in MA, they want proof of insurance, then you can register. In VT, you can register first, but then you *must* go get insurance. It says so, in big font, right along the bottom edge of a VT registration.
I have been through this process many times. IMO, there are 3 ways to go about this:

1) Bring your bike, which has been modified for street use, down to a MA DMV for inspection by a RMV officer. Or,...

2) Register in another (easier) state, and transfer that registration to MA. This costs more money, as you will have to pay sales tax and fees in both states, but it is less hassle. Or,..

3) Use a "mail order" Title service.

[b0xmonkey]

Thought I'd give an update on my progress or lack thereof...had the day off, figured I'd give the MA RMV a shot. I brought them the CoO for the KTM, their reasoning for denying me was that the previous owner, in another state, never payed sales tax on it. I tried to argue that he must have payed it because he had it registered off road, also wtf does it matter, it's a different state but Bertha was not interested in my reasons today. Figured it was worth a shot. I guess I'll move on the the out of state option.

[Point37]

poke around on here...way easier than trying to use any state dmv website...i would try and find someone to "sell" it to in VT and have them register it and "sell" it back to you...i usually have my insurance company do all the leg work with the DMV for me, not like they do much else to help you...

http://www.dmv.org/

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/regs/index.htm

o Register and Title Vehicles Purchased from a Non-Dealer:

You must go to a licensed Massachusetts insurance agent to obtain an active insurance policy and have the agent complete, stamp and sign an Application for Registration and Title (RMV-1).
If there is a lien against the vehicle, please make sure the lienholder information is complete and accurate.

The completed RMV-1 must be accompanied by one of the following documents:
A manufacturers Certificate of Origin (new vehicles only), or
The previous owner’s Certificate of Title, Dealer Re-Assignment form if applicable, or
The previous registration and bill of sale for vehicles that are exempt because of their age.
Federal and Massachusetts's laws require that the seller(s) state the mileage upon transfer of ownership. Also, both buyer(s) and seller(s) are required to sign and hand print their name and date the transfer document. If the previous title has a space for a sales price, the price must be filled in. If the previous title does not have a space for a sales price, a bill of sale showing the sales price must be submitted.

Take the completed RMV-1 application and supporting documents to the nearest full service RMV center.
The sales tax for a private sale is calculated at 6.25% of the purchase price or the National Automotive Dealer Association (NADA) trade-in value, whichever is higher.

After completing the transaction, you will receive a registration certificate, new plates and a year of expiration decal for the rear plate. The title will be processed and mailed in approximately six (6) to eight (8) weeks. If you have a loan on the vehicle, the title will be mailed directly to your lienholder.

You must obtain a vehicle inspection sticker within seven (7) days of the registration date.

[b0xmonkey]

[QUOTE=Point37;1252065]i would try and find someone to "sell" it to in VT and have them register it and "sell" it back to you...

Yeah I think it's gonna come down to that.

[SVRACER01]

So you're saying I could take my KTM, with paperwork, to VT and with them knowing I don't reside in VT they would let me register it in VT and send me a title? What about insurance, do I use a MA agent or a VT agent? The whole thing sounds suspect to me.

if you ever pay attention to rally cars, a lot of them are registered in VT. Pastranas rally car is as are many many others. trucking companies do the same with trailers. they register them in ME because its dirt cheap to do so. basically there is a co-op company in ME that you give them the title to your trailer and they register it in ME for dirt cheap and lease it back to you for $1.
loopholes...VT is one

[R7]

I brought them the CoO for the KTM, their reasoning for denying me was that the previous owner, in another state, never payed sales tax on it. I tried to argue that he must have payed it because he had it registered off road, also wtf does it matter, it's a different state but Bertha was not interested in my reasons today. Figured it was worth a shot. I guess I'll move on the the out of state option.

There was a loop hole in the past for registering offroad as far as paying sales tax goes, a prior registration would work as proof of sales tax. So the previous owner could have bought the bike, registered it in NH or Maine (no sales tax requirement for out of sate) , then transferred it back to his home state using the Maine or NH registration. Always hate to side with the state, but I can see their point.
It's a long shot, can you get proof of sales tax paid from the prior owner still? If that's her only reason, it seems like it's worth a shot

[mriley]

Currently awaiting tax return money, than i need to get this thing ready for street use.

[Chippertheripper]

Thought I'd give an update on my progress or lack thereof...had the day off, figured I'd give the MA RMV a shot. I brought them the CoO for the KTM, their reasoning for denying me was that the previous owner, in another state, never payed sales tax on it. I tried to argue that he must have payed it because he had it registered off road, also wtf does it matter, it's a different state but Bertha was not interested in my reasons today. Figured it was worth a shot. I guess I'll move on the the out of state option.

Or you need to talk to someone else there.
Some would've used logic and make you pay your own sales tax on your purchase and move on.

[Slyder]

I'm baffled as to why you guys are still mentioning selling it to someone in VT so you can do whatever and then transfer the title / reg back to MA, NY, etc.

Do it all in VT, and keep the credentials in VT. Every summer, pick a nice weekend and call a shop, make the appointment for an inspection and go for a ride. It's really not as complicated as many of you are making it sound. You're gonna have to take a ride with the bike in the truck or trailer at first, but there's no need for "selling" and "transferring" back over.

Edit.....slick looking ride mriley. Someday I'll have one as well. Someday I'll probably get arrested for the blatant stupidity I'd get carried away with on it as well