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[duey]

Yes it is. I also like the real deep throaty sound on the V's. My bike wines.

uhm no offense but you poke at twins and then you say this? Street I4's aren't exactly "deep and throaty" when sitting next to a twin.

[beet]

A twin sounds like a big block.

[Tabby]

Unless your previous screen name was BossHogg , don't sweat it, I don't think anyone in here is taking this to heart, and if they are...... Fuck'em ... TL Riders are touchey, our bikes have been out of production for 4 years now.. So some people think we ride Old bikes because we are poor, misguided old folks.. Not true

Hey, hold on right there. I think I can make the claim about riding an old bike and being misguided !

[Doc]

How the heck did I keep my mouth shut so long? I completely missed this thread.

V-twin? HA! L-twins is where it is at!!

I just have to say I have ridden with many people who were on I-4's while I was on my lil 750 L-Twin and I had NO problems keeping up. Sure they squirted ahead on the straights but I would suck em back up in the corners.

I love Torque and the sound my twin makes. I-4 sound like bumble bees in a can.
I had a ZX-7 (my only "real" I-4) I liked it but it just wasn't the same.

BTW there is NO way that an I-4's pistons are bigger than a twin's Takes 4 of them to make the same CC's as 2 on the twin.

[ZX-12R]

Be careful when you guess piston size differences between engines. Besides the piston diameter, the stroke also dictates displacement. By most peoples' arguments, my SV650 should have larger pistons than my 12R because 4 SV pistons would be 1300cc's as opposed to 4 12R pistons being 1200cc's.

In actuality, the 12R's pistons are a little larger but the engine has a shorter stroke than the 650. The 12R bore/stroke is 83.0 x 55.4 where the SV is 81.0 x 62.6.

The HP and torque arguments are beaten to death. First and foremost there is no substitution for cubes. Assuming similar tuning, the bigger engine will make more torque.

V-twins typically have a longer stroke than 4's which gives them a low RPM advantage in torque generation. This longer stroke leads to higher pistion velocities which limits how fast the engine can turn which limits its top end power.. There are also usually more frictional losses in V-twins because of having four cams and heavier valves and springs (because of size).

I4 engines pretty much have the exact opposite qualities. Shorter strokes are not as good for developing low RPM torque. It does slow the piston down considerably which lets the engine spin faster without risking damage. Valves are usually lighter with lighter springs which reduces the parasitic losses in the engine further improving its torque output as RPMs increase. The smaller bores and strokes lead to smaller combustion chambers which increases the fuel burning efficiency of the engine. All of this adds to the ability of the I4 to make more torque at higher RPMs.

Horsepower is directly related to an engine's torque and speed. When you combine high torque at high RPMs, you get high horsepower which what the I4's are very good at. Moderate to high torque at moderate RPMs (relative to I4's) leads to moderate horsepower for the V-twins.

[SVRACER01]

the sv and the busa have the same exact bore and stroke. so if you ever want to put hi- performance pistons in that sv, let me and we will split the cost of a busa kit

[SVRACER01]

IT NEVER SPEAKS ITS NAME!

so we cant say Boss Hogg or Mystery Squid?

[Gixxer1333]

UNION just went to your tube to check out the sound on your bike nice sounding no doubt (not kissing ass here). What cans do you run?

[Currently]

It looks like I messed this whole thing up and made people even dislike me. But really I love any kind of bike. For this I ask everyones forgiveness. I dont hate the V-Twins at all. I guess I was beaing an ass. I hope that I dont get kicked off but if a mod decides to do so, so be it. Hopefully everyone agrees and we all become cool to each other. I wish to stay here for a long time. But now I will sit back and let all of you decide on this matter.

Here is the acid test to see how much you are hated here ...

Invite everyone here to a party at your place ... FREE BOOZE !

If no one shows up ... you are completely facked!
Might as well put a bullet in your head.

[ZX-12R]

the sv and the busa have the same exact bore and stroke. so if you ever want to put hi- performance pistons in that sv, let me and we will split the cost of a busa kit

That could be fun but I have to fix the suspension first!

[union]

UNION just went to your tube to check out the sound on your bike nice sounding no doubt (not kissing ass here). What cans do you run?

Sato banzai mounts.

[KB]

why is there such a misconception of the V-twins being slow??? these aren't Harleys these are high compression EFI High tech V-twins.....have some respect ....

Not all of em are EFI. My SuperHawk is carburated and it hickups, back fires and just runs like a shitty carb'd bike.

But it'll hang with the RC's TL's and Ducs anyday.

I was just out o my girls I-4 Honda 600rr and I really enjoy riding it. But it's also nice to get on the Superhawk, then when I'm really looking for some holiganism I swing a leg over the CRF450 that's been Mo-taahhhhhhhh ded.

KB

[dhuze]

I have an inline 2 who do I side with?

[smf]

I have an inline 2 who do I side with?

ex500 riders

[dhuze]

ex500 riders

But it's a 750

[TheIglu]

then there are definitely some tuned ex's in the novice ranks b/c i got passed more than once on the gas last season... made me feel like i should get off and push

I'll try to pass without you noticing next time. Don't want them opening up my engine to discover my secret......new spark plugs! YES!

[TheIglu]

I can't hear my 1200 I-4. What side of this conversation should I be on?

I have 1 air cooled single, 3 water cooled singles, a water cooled twin, an air cooled I-4 and a water cooled I-4.

The KLR with the open airbox and Stage 1 jet kid sounds the most Boss bein rev'd to 7k! (seriously, BWUUUP, BWAAAAAAAP)

[smf]

I'll try to pass without you noticing next time. Don't want them opening up my engine to discover my secret......new spark plugs! YES!

you mean we're supposed to replace those? that must be where i'm losing power.

[TLRMan]

But it'll hang with the RC's TL's and Ducs anyday.
KB

The hell it will..... but that is a different story...

Don't know about you guys on your I4's, but I make 60 ft/lbs of torque at 3,000 rpms, almost 80 at 7,800 rpm's, which is pretty close to an 1k I4, and if I get a jump on your 1k I4, you will be banging the rev limiter to catch up. My TLR will hit it's limiter at 10,500 rpm's, (ECU is not set up stock) which is good for some decent HP for a TLR. Suzuki told Yoshimura not to turn the TLR engine higher than 12k when they raced it. At this point the cases will dismantle themselves.

I don't advertise how much HP mine makes, (keeps them guessing), but there are a chosen few that have had the pleasure to give it a run. I have since turned the burner up on it again, (I was bored), and it is almost all buttoned up.
BTW, the stock bore and stroke is 98mm x 66mm, which is VERY oversquare.

I'd rather have 2 big ones, than 4 small ones....
end of rant, and yes I'm still alive and kickin'

[OreoGaborio]

and yes I'm still alive and kickin'

Speakin of which, have you decided who gets your TL when you die yet?

Good to see ya, bro.... I gotta take that thing for a rip again now that ya juiced it up some more

[KB]

[QUOTE=TLRMan;351382]The hell it will..... but that is a different story.../QUOTE]



Bwaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa Is that a challenge?

When and where. For Pinks?

KB

[TLRMan]

Speakin of which, have you decided who gets your TL when you die yet?

Good to see ya, bro.... I gotta take that thing for a rip again now that ya juiced it up some more

If I die, the TL gets buried right next to me! Actually I'll prolly die on the TLR..
I finally did some stuff that I was meaning to get to for a while now.
Gonna load the puter with the Powercommander software for a rough tune before the dyno! We will hook up buddy

[TLRMan]

[QUOTE=rmbbikes;351387]

The hell it will..... but that is a different story.../QUOTE]



Bwaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa Is that a challenge?

When and where. For Pinks?

KB

Oreo, did you ever get to ride one of those spaghetti frame super chickens?
Talk him out of it....
The only reason why Honda kept making them is because they had a lot of carburetors left over when they went to fuel injection.

[OreoGaborio]

Oreo, did you ever get to ride one of those spaghetti frame super chickens?
Talk him out of it....

Talk him out of it???? Hell no! Race him for pinks Mark, I want a different street bike!