VT loop hole is no longer!

[klp]

Well most of you likely know but this was sad news for me.

As of 7-23 VT is no longer handing out registrations. Are there any workable options out there? I have a bike I am building this winter as well as a few in the cue without any real paperwork. Kind of kicking myself for not doing the VT thing earlier...

[R7]

Well most of you likely know but this was sad news for me.

As of 7-23 VT is no longer handing out registrations. Are there any workable options out there? I have a bike I am building this winter as well as a few in the cue without any real paperwork. Kind of kicking myself for not doing the VT thing earlier...

It’s not dead, it’s just much much more complex and expensive than it was. Make friends with someone that lives in Vt, sell them the bike on paper, they register the bike, they sell it back to you, you go and register it in your home state.

[MattR302]

A bunch of guys on Facebook have suggested dirtlegal.com

[boosten lebaron]

A friend in VT is the way to go.
Be aware that VT is now cancelling registrations for non residents that have titled vehicles there but don't actually live there. I have a condo in VT but it's not my primary residence so they limited me to a one year reg renewal recently. They told me next renewal cycle may be my last unless I switch my primary to the condo, which I'm not going to do.

[RandyO]

A friend in VT is the way to go.
Be aware that VT is now cancelling registrations for non residents that have titled vehicles there but don't actually live there. I have a condo in VT but it's not my primary residence so they limited me to a one year reg renewal recently. They told me next renewal cycle may be my last unless I switch my primary to the condo, which I'm not going to do.

I have relatives, lots of em. I'm a Vermonter transplanted into NH. I figure my brother owes me, in the past I have let him register snowmobiles in New Hampshire in my name to get a resident registration. I've been thinking of registering my UTV under his name in VT, but never had a reason, he's got miles and miles of trails on his growing acreage

[TIMMYDUCK]

There is a work around to this already .

You need a VT resident to register the vehicle as Joint Tenants in Common with the VT resident listed 1st on the registration application and out of state resident second .

It’s been tested and works .

[klp]

The VT form list joint tenants and tenants in common as separate items - does it matter which one? Both?

My bikes are old so no title would be issued. What do I get, a reg with two names or a reg with the vt resident and then sell it to me?

[TIMMYDUCK]

The VT form list joint tenants and tenants in common as separate items - does it matter which one? Both?

My bikes are old so no title would be issued. What do I get, a reg with two names or a reg with the vt resident and then sell it to me?

Registration with two names .

The tenants in common thing is about survivorship and wether it goes into probate or simply reverts to the other owner should one die .


This is the one you want to use .


Joint Tenants (JTEN)
A joint tenancy is a relationship in which co-owners have a right of survivorship, meaning that if one owner dies, that owner's interest in the property will pass to the surviving owner or owners by law, avoiding probate. The deceased owner's interest in the property simply evaporates and cannot be inherited by their heirs.
This form of ownership is common between a parent and child, and in any other situation, parties want ownership to pass immediately and automatically to the survivor.

[RandyO]

Registration with two names .

The tenants in common thing is about survivorship and wether it goes into probate or simply reverts to the other owner should one die .


This is the one you want to use .


Joint Tenants (JTEN)
A joint tenancy is a relationship in which co-owners have a right of survivorship, meaning that if one owner dies, that owner's interest in the property will pass to the surviving owner or owners by law, avoiding probate. The deceased owner's interest in the property simply evaporates and cannot be inherited by their heirs.
This form of ownership is common between a parent and child, and in any other situation, parties want ownership to pass immediately and automatically to the survivor.

now that you bring this up, this is what my brother did with his snowmobile when he was using my name to register in NH

[xrocket21]

Vermont loophole dead?

[Baggey22]

I live in Vermont and can help with DMV stuff if anyone needs it. Be aware that Vermont has also done away with the no title registrations for vehicles older than 15 years old.

[02redhawk]

Just curious what liability does the VT person have if they are listed on the registration and you have an accident?

[RandyO]

Just curious what liability does the VT person have if they are listed on the registration and you have an accident?

depends how deep the pockets are

[Stoneman]

Likewise, if you know someone in NH that is willing to do a little running around, you could "sell" it to them. They title it, register it, then "sell" it back to you. When the title comes in, they send that down to you. Badda bing!

I've done it a handful of times for friends in the past. If they're a good friend, it'll only cost you a 30-pack and the costs of both titles & registrations. A small drop in the bucket if you want it bad enough.

EDIT: I'm not that guy any longer.

[FriskyDingo]

[TIMMYDUCK]

Just curious what liability does the VT person have if they are listed on the registration and you have an accident?

It can be considerable .

The VT resident should protect themselves by having the out of state party pay for the appropriate Insurance coverage until they can re-register in thier home state .

[R7]

Just curious what liability does the VT person have if they are listed on the registration and you have an accident?

One would like to think that this shouldn’t be an issue with friends. I know if I was to try this with someone, it would be strictly to use the loophole to get the title, I would not ride the bike until it would be legally transferred into my name.
By friends, I’m not talking someone that is a “friend” on social media, I’m talking someone you know and trust personally.

Likewise, if you know someone in NH that is willing to do a little running around, you could "sell" it to them. They title it, register it, then "sell" it back to you. When the title comes in, they send that down to you. Badda bing!

I've done it a handful of times for friends in the past. If they're a good friend, it'll only cost you a 30-pack and the costs of both titles & registrations. A small drop in the bucket if you want it bad enough.

EDIT: I'm not that guy any longer.

I’ve always been thankful for the help from you when we titled my WR 450, which went smoothly. The only thing I’d suggest is not getting bud light as the 30 pack, picking up 2 30 packs, and staying to help drink one of the 30 packs.

That system worked great for converting an off-road MSO into a road legal title. For me, the Vt loophole was more for their 15 year title law, which seems has changed recently as well.
I forgot what state, but I saw on an enduro page, there is already another state that is allowing out of state registrations.

[tls25rs]

South Dakota

[OneCheekRider]

A bunch of guys on Facebook have suggested dirtlegal.com

South Dakota

I'm most likely going this route, DirtLegal through South Dakota. I bought a bike from Maine to keep out East and CA will only the transfer title of an out of state vehicle after they do an in-person VIN verification

[Stoneman]

Likewise, if you know someone in NH that is willing to do a little running around, you could "sell" it to them. They title it, register it, then "sell" it back to you. When the title comes in, they send that down to you. Badda bing!

I've done it a handful of times for friends in the past. If they're a good friend, it'll only cost you a 30-pack and the costs of both titles & registrations. A small drop in the bucket if you want it bad enough.

EDIT: I'm not that guy any longer.

I’ve always been thankful for the help from you when we titled my WR 450, which went smoothly. The only thing I’d suggest is not getting bud light as the 30 pack, picking up 2 30 packs, and staying to help drink one of the 30 packs.

No Mud Light for me. Never liked that stuff, always gives me Bud mud...

It was an easy learning experience doing the WR. Besides a little running around, I was amazed at how little it really took. I did a few after yours, but just decided to play it safe. Although truth be told, there's probably a buddy or two I'd still do it for

[boosten lebaron]

Just to bring this back I'm being told mass will no longer convert vt registrations to titles. You can still register them but they will not supply you a title so in effect it's useless to anyone but you.

[R7]

Just to bring this back I'm being told mass will no longer convert vt registrations to titles. You can still register them but they will not supply you a title so in effect it's useless to anyone but you.

Is that in writing somewhere? It’s unlikely that is legal, NMVTIS recognizes Vermont registration/plate numbers (or any title exempt registrations) as a title number. There’s no converting in this case, your Vt registration is the title.

[OneCheekRider]

After some research and a few phone calls into Pennington County South Dakota Treasurer's office, I have all required paperwork sent in for out-of-state title transfer.

I did NOT use Dirt Legal. I called them several times to talk about their fees and their process and ultimately they weren't very confidence inspiring on the phone. I figured out I can do this all myself in less time and save me their $500 fee + $50 yearly registration renewal fee that is ontop of any SD fees. Dirt Legal is just a middleman and they may be worth it depending on the title situation as you can grant them power of attorney, but in my case, I didn't see the value.

I'm still not finished as my info needs to get processed and title/plates sent from SD, but if this works the way I think it should, then I would think going through SD is the way to go for any titling issues you may have. I'll update as this plays out for me.

[tsorfas]

Just to bring this back I'm being told mass will no longer convert vt registrations to titles. You can still register them but they will not supply you a title so in effect it's useless to anyone but you.

How would mass prove ownership without giving you a title? That makes no sense. Nothing really makes sense in that fuckign state any more though.

[boosten lebaron]

I'm looking into this deeper. My neighbor is stuck in this right now and I've been told by a few others it's true. Apparently it's a tax thing. Mass wants the taxes you missed while it was registered in Vermont. So they will issue the buyer with a reg but you as the seller must pay all associated taxes or they won't process tye title meaning the buyer has a big problem. The same appears to be true if you are transferring to yourself. The way out is to prove your a vt resident with a driver's license only. Bills and mail aren't excepted. So it comes down to money. In the case of my neighbor his $60k airstream that he sold that gas always been on a vt reg means he has a monstrous tax and penalty bill he has to pay before they issue a new title to the buyer who has already taken possession of the camper. Talking like a 5 digit bill.