MA,NH,VT 7-11

[BigShel]

Who is up for trying this again? Meet at Motomart 8:30 head up Rt.119.

[hondarider102]

when? and where exactly is this?

[BigShel]

My bad, It is Sunday July 12. Meet at Motomart in Acton and head to NH and VT. the last time we tried this it rained. This sunday is looking good.

[jRhino]

will try hard to make this ride, have a wedding to go to on Saturday

[tWeEzy]

i've never ridden with a group before. Is it a fast pace?

[solgirl]

i've never ridden with a group before. Is it a fast pace?

I saw you on the curtis rib ride?

[slammp]

I think I'm in Shel.

[boloson]

i've never ridden with a group before. Is it a fast pace?

if FatShel is leading then no, but if kham is leading then yea

[DynoTune]

Im in....

[tls25rs]

Damn it Sheldon, the one weekend I absolutely cannot make it on a ride and you go and plan this one.

Hope you guys get good weather and enjoy the ride.

Maybe next time,

Joel

[hondarider102]

whats the time frame on this ride?

[Femmekat]

What would the pace be as compared to the Curtis ribs ride?

[jRhino]

maybe way should categorize on the riding pace like A, B+, B, and C so it will provide an idea of what type of riding event

I copied a post from the SCR forum for better understanding of what I was talking about.

Credit to http://sacramentocrotchrockets.com

I have found that every rider has their own perception of which group they fall into, in terms of group rides. For the most part, everyone's perception of speed and what group they fit into is limited to their experience (or inexperience). For example, if a rider is fast among a certain group of friends, he may think he is a "Supafast A" group guy. He may talk all the crap and give all the advice because he is clearly the "expert" among his group of pals. That same rider may join an 'A' paced Kneeriders ride thinking he has "teh skillz" to hang with the big boys, only to learn what fast really is. On the other hand, a rider might consider themselves a humble 'C' rider, join a ride that somebody posts as a 'C' pace ride, only to be disapointed at how sloooooow the ride is because he is really a 'B' pace guy.

Because of this relativity, it is very hard to quantify the pace of a group ride, or what group a particular rider may feel most comfortable. In an effort to quantify this, I am going to put this data in terms of speed limits and group dynamics, based on my experience.

DISCLAIMER: Please avoid using speed warning signs for speed references. You still need to use your best judgement and read the road. See where the vanishing point accurs and set your speed accordingly. The warning sign only gives you a hint of what to expect and I am refering to them only as a tool to roughly judge what group you would be most comfortable in.


C Pace: Usually not to exceed 10 mph over the speed limit. Passing is usually limited to passing zones and loooong double yellow straights. Due to the number of newbies and inexperienced riders, these rides are usually very organized with lead, sweeps and frequent stops and head counts. Proper group riding techniques are practiced; hand signals, formation, etc. The route is planned in advance, and much time is spent by veterans coaching newer riders. *It is important the note that most 'C' pace rides are at the speed limit, but the limit can be exceeded in some places. It is not consistently limit +10.

B- Pace: Usually not to exceed 20 mph over the speed limit. Passing is more liberal and on shorter straightaways and is sometimes conducted one bike at a time in places. B- group rides tend to have a mixed group of riders, so "The Pace" is typically not practiced, as some riders will be trying to play catch-up in the straights. Proper group riding technique is practiced, but less time is spent coaching and stopping.

B+ Pace: Usually up to double the speed limit. If a corner is marked at 35 mph, it can usually be taken comfortably at approximately 70 mph by a B+ paced rider. B+ riders typically practice "The Pace" in that they keep their speed in the straightaways around the same speed they are hitting the corners. Passing is very liberal and cagers tend to get pissed off. Proper group riding technique is usually not practiced, as these rides typically take place on the twistiest routes, so riders are typically in single file, if even in sight of eachother. No time is spent coaching, as riders are expected to be experienced enough to hold their own without advice from others.

A Pace: 'A' paced rides are not for the faint of heart. These rides are FAST and usually involve racing among friends, passing into and out of corners (when safe). Speeds are limited to whatever the bike and rider can handle, basically WFO the whole time. These riders are experienced (usually track riders), know their limits, and rarely have an incident because they tend to be groups of people that are well aware of the skills of the riders around them. 'A' paced rides are typically kept to certain roads that are known for having little traffic, smooth pavement and no cops. "The Pace" is out the window on these rides, as the bikes can see >100 mph in the straights. These rides are not typically arranged on the board, but instead privately among friends.


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[boloson]

does it really matter? if someone falls back, 1 of the leaders would fall back & get u so the group never really breaks up

[DucDave]

does it really matter? if someone falls back, 1 of the leaders would fall back & get u so the group never really breaks up

...should only be one leader...and one sweep...and everyone on the ride should be contained between the two.

Lead should stop at every major intersection and every change of route.

Above applies generally to group rides. If you are talking about a small group, 5 or less, of riders who are very experienced in riding together and all know the route, there may not be a need for a lead and a sweep.

My opinion...not to be confused with fact!!!!

[boloson]

...should only be one leader...and one sweep...and everyone on the ride should be contained between the two.

Lead should stop at every major intersection and every change of route.

Above applies generally to group rides. If you are talking about a small group, 5 or less, of riders who are very experienced in riding together and all know the route, there may not be a need for a lead and a sweep.

My opinion...not to be confused with fact!!!!

agreed, but have u ever been on a FAt-Shel & Kham group ride before??? it's fucked up. 1 guy getting high & zig zaging through formation to get to the front. the last time i went with them someone fell back & got on nesr to bitch about it. dont know if that member is still on but dont think he'll be doing anymore group rides anytime soon

[DucDave]

agreed, but have u ever been on a FAt-Shel & Kham group ride before??? it's fucked up. 1 guy getting high & zig zaging through formation to get to the front. the last time i went with them someone fell back & got on nesr to bitch about it. dont know if that member is still on but dont think he'll be doing anymore group rides anytime soon

I recall reading about that ride...and I would have bailed. Not my kind of ride....

[DynoTune]

Shel does great rides......Yes, its....keep up or you will be left behind, within reason. If you do not want to pass a car, please do not come. If you pass cars when it is very safe to do so then you will keep up just fine. Only one place on the trip are the speeds excessive....a long streight away about 5 miles long....We do have a bit of fun there. The rest is quick but never stupid! If you dont want to go to fast hang back as they never get out of sight due to traffic...again, if your not willing to pass a tracktor or a horse trailer you best bet is to go with another group... Those folks that got left behind last year would not speed or pass a car....not knocking that kind of riding as thats my typicall ride.....just not on a shel ride.... I have not seen anyone passing in the group or weaving....well maybe one guy last year ...not sure who that was? Im guessing about 20 MPH over the speed limit...maybe a 100 over on the long streight

[ku996r]

man, i miss vt rides

[jRhino]

i assume this ride would fall in between B and B+ pace

[tWeEzy]

I saw you on the curtis rib ride?

lol. I always give shel a hard time because he never rides his 06 gsx-r 600

[DynoTune]

B and B- but very little passing within the group! Faster folks stay up front, slower folks stay reaward....Once you find your pace/spot you typically stay there....
we miss you carlton!

[Uncle Snake]

If you ride in Vt. and won't pass a tractor, you will be in Vt for a very long time........

[BigShel]

LOL, You always have jokes, but the guy that pulled that shit was not in my click and he has never been back since, and when you started crying about him I went right over and told him to cut the shit. Now that we have that out the way.

Are you showing up to show me how much all those trackdays have paid off. I don't want to spend my day waiting up for you.

agreed, but have u ever been on a FAt-Shel & Kham group ride before??? it's fucked up. 1 guy getting high & zig zaging through formation to get to the front. the last time i went with them someone fell back & got on nesr to bitch about it. dont know if that member is still on but dont think he'll be doing anymore group rides anytime soon

[Wishbone]

I might be in. Need some seat time. Last ride problems sucked hard

Who is up for trying this again? Meet at Motomart 8:30 head up Rt.119.

What if it's overcast????

man, i miss vt rides

So see you there then?

If you ride in Vt. and won't pass a tractor, you will be in Vt for a very long time........

Call you when we hit Rutland? ( that is pump $10 into a payphone cause cells don't work in VT)