Rock Page gets reamed for "Ruining the Show" in Ohio

Another example that the AMA is being run by a bunch of classless, petty clowns. They also have a shitty rulebook.

MotoGP's blue flag rule: Blue Flag: Shown waved at the flag marshal post, this flag indicates to a rider that he is about to be overtaken and he must allow the rider(s) following him to pass him at the earliest opportunity. During the practice sessions, the rider concerned must keep his line and slow down gradually to allow the faster rider to pass him. During the race, the rider concerned is about to be lapped. Also, this flag is shown to a rider leaving the pit lane if traffic is approaching on the track.

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Originally Posted by OreoGaborio

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How many times do I have to say it? Holding your line doesn't mean it has to be on the racing line.

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Your definition of holding the line is not set in stone and the phrase is open to interpretation as evidence by the varying opinions on the subject matter including the racer in question. If the racing line is his line and he stays on it he has fufilled the first half of the rule. He most certainly held his line.

MotoGP's rule is an example of a well worded rule.

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yeah.... He did and I never said he didn't, he just chose the wrong fuckin line.

I don't have a definite opinion, but when I was watching the race, my first thought was Rock is impeding this race unnecessarily both for hayes and yates. The timing just worked out that Yates got screwed the most. I can understand that if rock thought his competition was on his rear he shouldn;t back down, but once Hayes went by and the blue was still flying, you have to use a little common sense and realize there might be a race here for the lead let me not get in the way. Afterall, no matter how you word it, that is the spirit of the rule and he knows it. Scottie makes a good point that the rule just needs to be worded better. I am wondering, two things though:

1 Would the blue flag be waved if Rocks competition was right behind him in a position to make a pass.

2. Is there any rule or penalty for passing your competition on a blue flag. After all, the spirit of the rule is to let the fast guys through and race, but not to hinder your own race/position in doing so. I could see this possibly getting messy.

Edit: and that is my hind sight behind the desk rant.

More fall out suspentions

Al Lunington suspented indef

I'm not speaking for Yates' ever. That's a quick way to go get fired.



JRP has a history of doing this. This wasn't the first time.



Don't compare LRRS club racing to AMA racing. The rules and expected etiquette are far different.

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Originally Posted by a13x

I'm not speaking for Yates' ever. That's a quick way to go get fired.

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Good stuff Alex! Most of the people arguing in here really have no idea of the rules anyway, I don't even know why its a discussion.

I also find it funny that in the confrontation video the audio is WAAAAYY too clear. Methinks JRP is mic'd up. Its very easy to play the "nice guy" when you know you're on tape, and the other guy doesnt. Do you think thats how the confrontation would've gone if JRP wasnt aware he was on tape?

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Originally Posted by Pittenger5

I also find it funny that in the confrontation video the audio is WAAAAYY too clear. Methinks JRP is mic'd up. Its very easy to play the "nice guy" when you know you're on tape, and the other guy doesnt. Do you think thats how the confrontation would've gone if JRP wasnt aware he was on tape?

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http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=37436

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Originally Posted by daviid

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=37436

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I never said he did it purposely. I think its a lot easier to keep your cool when you KNOW you're mic'd up. Maybe Al didnt know he was, maybe Al didnt care. But JRP def knew he was.

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Originally Posted by kb1ioq

Good stuff Alex! Most of the people arguing in here really have no idea of the rules anyway, I don't even know why its a discussion.

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Alot of ppl arguing here have a idea of the rules.

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Originally Posted by kb1ioq

Good stuff Alex! Most of the people arguing in here really have no idea of the rules anyway, I don't even know why its a discussion.

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The rule is listed in black and white. It's the interpretation that is being argued over.

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Originally Posted by a13x

Alot of ppl arguing here have a idea of the rules.

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I don't claim to know the rules myself, so I won't make comment on what's happening. You being part of a racing team probably have a real good idea of what's what and I'm happy you don't take part in the jibber jabber.

If you guys need any financial/accting people, let me know. :pray:

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Originally Posted by obsolete

The rule is listed in black and white. It's the interpretation that is being argued over.

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Rules are never black and white, there are always fuzzy areas, you guys are arguing over one of those fuzzy areas, there really is no right and wrong.

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Originally Posted by obsolete

The rule is listed in black and white. It's the interpretation that is being argued over.

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The rule is written in a vague manner at best. There is the written rule which goes hand-in-hand with the way that 99.9% of the AMA backmarkers act when shown the blue flag and the race leaders come thru. Guess who is the .1%....

By saying black and white I meant it is written down and you can easily find it. By being vague it is open to interpretation, as with any law/rule/governance.

I think he's a shitty sports man too. :shrug:

I'm not a racer so my opinion is not.....

but is seems pretty simple to me! When I hear a fast guy coming, I hold my line, ride predictable but leave them a nice opening.

Why is that so hard to figure out??

My question is...do they use the blue flag at every station? If so then what was mentioned earlier about him thinking the first lapping rider was it...is void. :D

The part of the track they were in was pretty tight, not VERY many passing zones on that track let alone in that area.

Between the lack of passing zones, not knowing how many lappers going by after the first, and thinking there was someone behind him he was racing with, I don't really blame him.

Someone on WERA said something to the effect of JRP wanted footage of him "racing" the fast guys. Turns out he got it.


13- Tell Yates to sign up here and tell us about his experience at Mid-Ohio. I'm sure he's not that busy or anything...:wink:

IMO JRP should have moved off the racing line, slowed just a bit, and let the leaders through. He clearly did none of that and it was extremely annoying to watch it, nevermind if it was me in 2nd place!
Mid Ohio is a tight course with limited passing. If Hayes comes by, you can bet there's another one fighting for 2nd. I bet he could hear Yates as well, at least know another bike was close and trying to get by.

He was wrong, should have slowed a bit and moved over predictably. These are professionals, I doubt he'd have swerved out of the way like a novice.

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Originally Posted by jtaylor719

These are professionals, I doubt he'd have swerved out of the way like a novice.

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:plusone: I'm sure he knows exactly how he can position himself to let someone go by, these guys turn thousands of laps around tracks every year. Hell I've done 1 Tony's Track Day and I had it down to let the faster guys get by me in a corner.



Although some passed when they weren't supposed to anyway :mope:

Camera time. You can't have a good reality show or publicity if you don't have good shots of yourself mixing it up with the leaders. Post editing and creative writing is a wonderful thing.

His publicity photos and the reality show will, I'm sure, fail to mention JRP was being lapped and hoping not to be last.

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Originally Posted by palanon

Camera time. You can't have a good reality show or publicity if you don't have good shots of yourself mixing it up with the leaders. Post editing and creative writing is a wonderful thing.

His publicity photos and the reality show will, I'm sure, fail to mention JRP was being lapped and hoping not to be last.

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Originally Posted by Johnny B

Hater! :nono:

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'sup, Johnny Rock B ??

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I think i know david stone......its fitting that the pot was interviewing the kettle

Just to throw this out there .... does anyone remember watching Wood at Daytona ... he held his line but just a few feet off what he knew to be the race / fast line when being passed by Duhamel and didn't ramp it up to get a tow fom him either.

watching the clip again and you can clearly see JRP making the effort to "get a tow" from the leader .... just watch his front end dive and erratic switchbacks it is clear he is not backing down but riding over his head to try to get thru to the straight where yates or anyone else can pass .


BTW I have turned more than a few laps at mid ohio and :bs: there is plenty of room for a slow guy to get passed back there ... ask me how I know.

BTW the flag stations are not so in your face ... if he got a BLUE back at (IIRC) T9-10 as they went into thunder valley then he wouldn't get another until T12-13 which is where he "was getting towed" ... as you approach the carosel there is 30+ ft of track width to be on line and the carosel is a multiline radius ....ahhhhhm how wide is a bike < 3 ft or <10% of the track?

They were both wrong they got reprimanded.

BTW oreo and obsolete :gayfight: