VIN and engine number required by racetracks?

[OreoGaborio]

Thanks for the input! We wouldn't want a single thread to go by without your contribution!

[PinHead]

[carsick]

apparently you looked suspicious cause I've yet to be asked to see my VIN.

No apparently about it, everything about my bike, equipment, person, and hauler looks sketchy. Just my undersuit alone is enough to warrant a search. Thank the Lord I never do anything wrong!

If you bought it from some guy out of the back of a van three states over, it would be tougher to defend.

Thank goodness there's no VIN on leathers and warmers, cause there's this guy that had a bunch of stuff in his trunk and I met him at a gas station. Also bought a bike from another guy at a gas station off the highway in another state, had it stuffed in his SUV, he needed cash, no title. Seemed legit. I think he's on here occasionally.

[oVTo]

No VIN on a new frame is a lot different than a stolen frame with an altered or removed VIN. Those bikes imported without a stamped 17 digit VIN (RS125's etc...) that are for offroad use only would have to go by a frame number, engine number etc...

As far as constitutional rights goes, VIN's are public information and placed in publicly viewable places. This is called the P-VIN. There are other spots on some cars, trucks, trailers, motorcycles etc...where the VIN is discriminantly placed and harder to get at without disassembling the vehicle to match the numbers. Car VINS are usually located in three places; windshield, drivers door on the frame, and somewhere else.

Private entities would have no power to seize a bike from someone that they suspected as stolen, only LE and special designated gov't entities have that power. The worse they would be able to do is deny you access to the track and call a PD to make a report.

As far as parts from ebay etc... The state has to prove that the person holding the stolen item (say a motor you bought off ebay) would reasonably know that the item was stolen. If you bought it from ebay and had no idea it was stolen, you would have deniability and a paper trail to prove otherwise. If you bought it from some guy out of the back of a van three states over, it would be tougher to defend.

If you had good documentation, you would not likely be charged, but you'd still have the stolen goods confiscated (by the popo) so they could be returned to the original owner, right?

[R7]

If you had good documentation, you would not likely be charged, but you'd still have the stolen goods confiscated (by the popo) so they could be returned to the original owner, right?

Yes, or the insurance company if one were involved.

I personally would be in full support of vin/engine number checks at race tracks

[Degsy]

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If you had good documentation, you would not likely be charged, but you'd still have the stolen goods confiscated (by the popo) so they could be returned to the original owner, right?

Yes, or the insurance company if one were involved.

I personally would be in full support of vin/engine number checks at race tracks

Do you know how many people would not be able to race?
Import bikes, bikes with built motors with new cases, replaced frames, any bike built for roadracing specifically etc etc.

[Jaynnus]

How many racers and trackday folks would be more careful about purchasing frames and motors without wearing asbestos gloves?

I see both sides of this...

Didn't you get pulled over one morning many years ago with three track bikes in the truck at 3am on the way to the track Degs?

[Degsy]

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How many racers and trackday folks would be more careful about purchasing frames and motors without wearing asbestos gloves?

I see both sides of this...

Didn't you get pulled over one morning many years ago with three track bikes in the truck at 3am on the way to the track Degs?

I did. Cops checked every vin. 4 or 5 bikes. All clean of course. I wouldnt use a stolen frame and i wouldnt knowingly use a stolen engine, bit its impossible to know with an engine.

[OreoGaborio]

Do you know how many people would not be able to race?
Import bikes, bikes with built motors with new cases, replaced frames, any bike built for roadracing specifically etc etc.

And if they only looked for items that have been TAMPERED WITH or REPORTED AS STOLEN?

I'd have no problem with that. Keeps all of our stuff safer.

[R7]

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Do you know how many people would not be able to race?
Import bikes, bikes with built motors with new cases, replaced frames, any bike built for roadracing specifically etc etc.

There would have to be exceptions, but I guess if you built a motor or bought a blank frame, you'd have documentation of that in some form? Save the slip

[Degsy]

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I have rebuilt engines for people who have bought used cases on ebay. I have no way of knowing if they are legit and then what is possibly stolen? the upper case? Its even tough for a cop to find put if an engine is stolen.

[butcher bergs]

I personally would be in full support of vin/engine number checks at race tracks

Huge time consumption for race programs with multiple frames and engines in tote.....borderline unrealistic, even.

Let's imagine 200 racers showing up and everyone has to unpack a spare engine.

I look at my 6×10 and where the spare mill would be packed with everything else and think to myself "no fkn way!" Bike, tool box, generator, tires....all coming out.

[Degsy]

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Devils advocate here. How about they VIN and engine number check every car, truck and RV coming into a track for a NASCAR race?
Im not arguing either way here, and i have no horse in the race, but its an interesting discussion.

[OreoGaborio]

Yes, because what we're proposing is MANDATORY checks for EVERY SINGLE BIKE AND ENGINE you have in your posession, have ever owned, touched or laid your eyes on.

You fukin guys... seriously. Just love to argue, don't you?




Randomly check VIN's at tech inspection. Write em down... Send to cops. "Hey, any of these reported as stolen?"

I wouldn't give two shits if they did something like that.

[tsorfas]

Yes, or the insurance company if one were involved.

I personally would be in full support of vin/engine number checks at race tracks

thats just stupid.. that would put RayRay straight out of business

[Degsy]

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Yes, because what we're proposing is MANDATORY checks for EVERY SINGLE BIKE AND ENGINE you have in your posession, have ever owned, touched or laid your eyes on.

You fukin guys... seriously. Just love to argue, don't you?




Randomly check VIN's at tech inspection. Write em down... Send to cops. "Hey, any of these reported as stolen?"

I wouldn't give two shits if they did something like that.

Pete. Seriously. This is a discussion. This IS a discussion forum, no?

[OreoGaborio]

Yes... this IS a discussion... but you and bergs love turning discussions into arguments.

People having discussions don't have to say things like "not trying to start an argument".... because they don't come off as argumentative in the first place.

[butcher bergs]

Glad I didn't start anything with "not trying to start an argument" then.

So, random check, I still have to empty my trailer in order to get to my spare engine as well as the bike that also has an engine.

It is unreasonable to expect anyone to spend an hour unloading, getting numbers then loading back up only to unload again in the paddock.....and all before Tech closes.

[CBR929RE]

they have "impounded" bikes at NHMS during race events after major crashes. One of them this past weekend. I also remember one last year. in both cases the rider was transported to the hospital. If I remember correctly last year they said it had something to do with insurance or some shit. it was weird. maybe that's where the idea of them taking bikes came from. they didn't keep them as far as I know.

[butcher bergs]

Oh Pete with your edits. I love how if anyone disagrees with you or has a differing viewpoint than yours, you call it arguing.

Pete, sometimes there are people in life that won't agree with everything you have to say. Please learn to accept that.

[OreoGaborio]

Glad I didn't start anything with "not trying to start an argument" then.

No, you just choose to ignore half of what's actually said and insert a bunch of information that you came up with into people's posts that you don't agree with so you can insert your self-righteous attitude into a discussion that you really don't have much business being in in the first place... that's FAR worse.

It is unreasonable to expect anyone to spend an hour unloading, getting numbers then loading back up only to unload again in the paddock.....and all before Tech closes.

I agree... that's why I never said or even implied that. You came up with that on your own.



BTW, Tech inspection doesn't close at Loudon until racing is over (but you'd know that if you still raced there or bothered to open up the rulebook).

Oh Pete with your edits. I love how if anyone disagrees with you or has a differing viewpoint than yours, you call it arguing.

Pete, sometimes there are people in life that won't agree with everything you have to say. Please learn to accept that.

My edits don't change a single thing about the intent of what I'm tryig to say. They're there to to clarify and simplify what I'm trying to get across since you love doing just what I said above.

And there's a big difference with people disagreeing with what I'm ACTUALLY saying and people making up their OWN shit just so they can disagree with it.

[Jaynnus]

Glad I didn't start anything with "not trying to start an argument" then.

So, random check, I still have to empty my trailer in order to get to my spare engine as well as the bike that also has an engine.

It is unreasonable to expect anyone to spend an hour unloading, getting numbers then loading back up only to unload again in the paddock.....and all before Tech closes.

:shrug: Maybe pack the trailer differently?

[butcher bergs]

So Pete, you're now the one who decides which people belong in a discussion yet I'm self-righteous?
I'm not sure I'm able to keep up with all this.

BTW, you do realize this thread wasn't asking about Loudon checking VINs and such, right? Might wanna check your accusations right about now because tech does close at other tracks.

:shrug: Maybe pack the trailer differently?

Touché

[nhbubba]

https://www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud_awareness/vincheck

[Pittenger5]

Cant you two motherfuckers just hug it out at some point? I feel like mommy and daddy are having a fight at the dinner table


(Pete's the mommy cause he has an awesome goatee.)