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If sound is a concern, and performance, you should go to an RC car off road race some time. Real pro level stuff. Then you can see the fuel burners and electric ones on the same track.
They don't even race them in the same class. The electrics absolutely SLAUGHTER the gas. It's not even a competition. And hearing a brushless electric mod class truck hooking up on dirt on the straightaway is music, man. It's just not as loud. JUST as angry, if not more so.
Everyone had the same complaints/get off my lawn/change is bad when the first higher performance 4 strokes came out. WELL SEE THAT 125 WILL KICK THE SHIT OUT OF THE 125 STROKER, SO THEY HAD TO CHEAT AND GO 250CC, SEE I'M RIGHT
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Close your eyes, look deep in your soul, step outside yourself and let your mind go.
Beats getting laid and racing motorcycles.
Seriously though, I was spending the same amount monthly racing off road 1/10'th stock class, which is the EX500 class of the RC world, as I was racing an actual EX500 at the same time. That's when I sold it all off and just went with bike racing.
What can I say? I just like racing, in all forms. Driving + racing. Just gets me goin. You should see how brutal shit gets on go-karts. Lol.
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The RC world currently doesn't mirror the dirtbike world in one key area: Total energy required
In the RC world, the energy required to complete a race is low enough that the energy storage density penalty that you get with current battery tech isn't big enough vs nitro that the electric RC is running with a smaller power supply. As a result the electric's ability to more quickly dump that available energy on demand outweighs the gasser's ability to carry more raw energy potential overall.
On the dirtbike scene, the electrics still need to be output limited to get a viable runtime vs their gasser counterparts while trying to stay close in weight. As batt tech gets better, that'll change as it has with RC cars, but we haven't hit that crossing point in the curves yet.
That would be true if 4 strokes were actually better...
They had to handicap the 2 strokes in order to make the 4 strokes competitive... Remember?
And how many off road riders here are on 2 strokes vs 4? I'd be willing to wager there are more 2 strokes. Go to a woods race. You'll see...2 strokes.
The facade of being new tech wore off and people realized they actually missed their 2 strokes and went back. Eventually people might realize electric isn't better and will go back to 2 strokes. Seems to be a cycle.
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Bah, you are no fun. Look at the tech that's resulted because of it!!!!!
200hp leeter bikes are teh yawn now.
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If you watched straight rhythm this year, you could clearly see the difference in power and control between the 2t and 4t 250s. The 4 strokes had more options in the rhythms because they could recover more easily from mistakes, or simply spun less. I love 2t bikes, and for putting around the woods where you use 1/10 of the power, they are tractable and easy to live with. At full honk on critical obstacles/gaps, triples, etc. I think they really are harder to control. Interestingly, the electrics were out there too. They were closer than expected, but seemed a little heavy and less responsive than either 2 or 4T environmental disasters.
You can both have an opinion and debate it in a difficult manner. We're in agreement that some people will find new things to complain about. But I also said earlier that I think it'll be harder for the complainers to stir up the rest of the town, as their complaints will seem more transparent as whining than genuine concerns. Only time will tell.
Your point about the charging station is a pretty low sample, and misses that there may be other factors. Some chicken-egg problem there. To get people to buy fully electric cars, a big sticking point is ability to charge. Building a network of chargers means some may remain pretty low usage at first. Especially if your region doesn't have many buyers, so it ends up primarily catering to people on a trip from NYC to Boston. I'm sure it's been used more than you realize too. It's free? You don't put a credit card in? Even if it's totally free, the target audience for an newer and/or expensive car usually isn't super budget conscious. Especially if the charging station is miles from their home. Electric vehicles are also bought in an attempt to help reduce carbon emissions, not just fuel savings.
Your overall point still seems like you're expecting the first model available to be better than everything, and not that it'll have to grow better over time in order for more people to see value in it. That's pretty much how all technology works. I thought my friend was silly for buying one of the early smart phones and paying extra for a 3G data plan. Tapping away with a stylus (no touchscreen), with dial-up speeds, no wifi, and most sites didn't have mobile versions. But he's exactly the guy who'd enjoy it, and people like him helped pave the way for phone-computers we all have now.
It's true that a lot of the top riders are 2T. But 'missed their 2 stroke' is important. I think some people just prefer the riding style. Maybe it's the best for racers, but a lot of regular riders who lean 2T do so out of personal preference because they find it more exciting.
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Also, the new argument against bikes instead of sound is already out there and being used against individuals riding on their own land: Dust. Electrics don't help on that front.
Part of why I like my 2T woods bike is the noise doesn't carry as much as a 4T. It is, effectively, quieter.
Other people having fun that isn't your kind of fun is the enemy...
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